The Last Stand: Union City – Alpha 0.8

Nice one, Con! I like how you used the TV theme so the search menu could make sense! Really great improvements you have here! Take your time, and keep up the good work!

Oh, brilliant. Love the grain effect. Levelling up looks cool too
I can see myself struggling to feed and rest myself too. It’s really shaping out, Con. Nice work.
Ok, here are some suggestions. Maybe you could have zombies who lean on things? Like the cardboard box in the middle room, mebbe zombies could be leaning on that thing (the lying down zombies), then jump up and pwn you. Just a thought.

Hey con i was just wondering how you sleep?

You can’t yet, just updated the main post.

Sleep and hunger don’t affect anything at the moment, they’re just degrading numbers.
- Con

Quick quick post, I like it, looking good.

And 111 is top skill thing.

I’m guessing you know that but yeah.

Looking good.

Woops, just a tint problem when you upgrade all your skills to max ….

http://i50.tinypic.com/2qv76g2.jpg

Haha, that’s awesome. The number of zombies in the rooms will depend on a bunch of things, at the moment it’s solely based on character level, so yeah, this won’t happen in the later versions.
- Con

its awsome and it looks as if your making great progress. one question. will there be different types of amunition for shotguns and stuff? such as spread shot and solids.

Shot and slugs you mean? Probably not, just because that means implementing ammo switching. Might make a slug based shotgun though that uses the same ammo.
- Con

i agree!

thanks!!best alpha yet.i appreciate you getting involved with your fans and keeping us in the loop for game development.very few others do that.

i love it! i dont like the tv thing though, turned it off.. and one thing that bugged me was the XM8 was weaker than the Ak47, i mean, the russian make of the ak is crap. if its the chinese make its poretty good, but the XM8 should still be better

Yeah, none of the weapon damages are final yet, gotta balance everything out.
- Con

masterpeice! i love it con!

this was so fun and good love it

Hey con great alpha couple questions, will we be able to duel wield small weapons such as pistols and also is it the skill or a bug but when i shoot at something directly in front on me i miss, anyway great work and cant wait till done,
cheers

Dual wield, no. Missing when close, not related to skills most likely a collision issue.
- Con

Wow!This just gets better and better!I have been a fan since TLS1,and this is a huge improvement!

The already dead zombies on the ground makes me cautious of walking over them.

Its so much fun sitting on the couch playin this with the controller, been waiting all week for it.

GREAT ALPHA

1. When deleting a piece of clothing i’m not wearing, it deletes it but also equips it. i know you mentioned “- Deleted weapons stay equipped” but i feel the clothing thing is different.
2. When i scroll down the inventory list with the mouse ball it acts up, it scrolls the whole way but the scroll bar only goes like half way. but if i click the scroll bar and move it then it work perfectly.
3. When i scroll to the bottom of the inventory list then switch filter then switch back the list goes back to the top, but the scroll bar is still at the bottom.
4. The guns aim is lower then where the middle of the cursor is. (Previous alpha aimed fine, i checked)
5. When you switch the quality of the flashlight it turns it off and when you unpause you have to turn it on again.

Nice finds here, thanks for the great feedback. 4 is a big concern I’ve done something stupid to the body it seems. Looking into it.

Edit: Fixed. Was a problem with the weapon graphics throwing off the center point.
- Con

Have to say i love it. It can be realy hard to tell the diffrence from the already dead and the sleeping. And question does the luck stat make it so you can find the bigger guns i have bin craving alot easyer?

Yep, that and the Searching skill.
- Con

i know i made a post 5 minute ago but i got more important feedback for you. When im shooting the FAL realy fast the game slows so the gun doesnt shoot every click and when i reloading it doesnt let me switch to my bat. can you at a cheat code thing so the guy’s sleep is refilled. realy like the riot hemet look cool, need to put a riot sheild in as a blunt wepon and a bullet proof vest that would finish the look.

wow! I can already see how this game will be panning out! keep up the good work.

Slight bug finds… when you go to switch clothes, and throw out the old clothes, it puts the old clothes on instead and you have to re-equip the new ones.

When you shove with melee and switch weapons, you can actually switch while shoving.

When you switch weapons or shove while reloading, you still get XP every time your character attempts to reload the weapon.

The bug from the first game where you can pause the game while reloading and reloading will complete is still there. Press ESC when the reload animation starts and your clip will fill, but the game world will stop completely (allowing for quick reloads).

I think having a riot shield as a blunt weapon plus a full riot outfit would be great.

I’m loving the film-grain effect and so far stats seem great and accessible.

That’s all I’ve found so far. All the other bugs seem to be gone. Great alpha, Con.

Good bug finds here, thanks for actually testing the alpha
- Con

Very, very nice. The small but subtle improvements are big.

Seeing the menu options for handedness, may I recommend simply having a menu option where you pick your own controls, like a Half Life 2 Source game?

Too big of a job at this stage, too much keyboard related stuff already integrated.
- Con

These alphas just keep getting sexier and sexier, Con.

The only nitpicky thing I could find is that if you stand on a box aiming 45 degrees down and away from you the bullets collide behind you, near your heel. As I’m aware that’s a slightly shit description, here’s a screenshot:
http://www.zshare.net/download/7641394509b7410f/

(notice where the impact smoke is)

I know it’s not major, but it’s still bizarre and slightly annoying to try and shoot down and have the bullets come out at the back of your feet, haha

Can’t remember if this was stated or not before.

When walking if you tap the crouch key the middle of his body gets separated. (This didn’t happen in the last alpha.)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2605/crouchglitch.png

Odd one, will need to look into that.
- Con

Great so far.

I like how there were other dead bodies and only some stood up, I was thinking it was too easy to spot them before.

A suggestion would be to make some Zs you killed without critical attacks stand back up when you walk off. Just for suspense.

Hey Con, wicked stuff loving the leveling and the new look haven’t found any bugs that haven’t already been commented on.

Oh Yeah, just a curious are you gonna add a skill book slot?

They’re under the “AID” filter.
- Con

Great good con. I found one glitch in it though if you press reload and then quickly hit melee you will earn the 2 xp for reloading without loading a clip. So you can infinite xp for doing nothing.

Nice game!! but i found a glitch, and i kinda cant find out how to do it, il tell you what happened tho. so i was walking and i hit ~ and typed levelUp (ima cheater!) and then i hit ~ again to exit and my character was walking in place, it wasnt in the known bugs page, and theres only been 17 comments, so im not sure if its known, but anyway, i love the game!!

A couple of things.
1) FOR THE LOVE OF SWEET BABY JESUS. MAKE THE TAKE ALL BUTTON SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES A. I keep trying to move, then find that i’ve taken EVERYTHING IN THE GODDAMN CONTAINER. Maybe it could be Q, since the Exit button is E.
2) THIS ONE IS IRRELEVANT, SO SKIP IF YOU DUN FEEL LIKE READING.
You could make a lot of money if you got real companies to advertise your in your game. Crush The Castle Player’s Pack already has 10,349,427 plays. Thats a lot of viewers. A lot of people would want to advertise on it. TLS:UC could get an IMMENSE amount of popularity, as you would be one of the first flash games to have been advertised by a real company.
just saying.

1) I like A as the hotkey, only 2 or 3 people have complained about it so it stays.
2) Skipping because I do make money off all this stuff already, it’s my job.
- Con

I noticed that when you do things like reload or search the shelves/cupboard, you get xp.
other than that, great job so far.
is really spooky playing with all the dead zombies lying around. =)

well the games is really great cant wait till the full game but i cant reset my guy with the Console Commands iv tryed lots of times and even copyed it from this page but it didnt work

I think that you shouldn’t gain experience from searching things. I was able to level up by mashing “e” in front of a shelf. I think people will exploit this. Unless we’re meant to.

This is great, Con. I’m looking forward to this game.

However, I have one–not a complaint, more of a concern I guess. You get the same amount of experience points if you reload one bullet or if you reload the whole clip. This means I could just shoot a bullet, reload, shoot, reload, and keep repeating this pattern over and over again and get a nice amount of points for doing nothing.

I hope you do something to eliminate this exploit. Or maybe you have — is ammo abundant in this game?
If I were you, I would make the reload feature take ALL bullets out of the magazine and put a WHOLE new magazine in. As in, all bullets would be lost. If you have ever played Battlefield games, the reloading mechanism in those are what I’m talking about — except that instead of counting magazines, you could count bullets and take 8 or 7 or 30 out of reserve for every reload, depending on the gun.

That would add to the ‘survival’ and ‘ammo is in short supply’ feel, as well as fix this exploit.
Best of luck to you.

good job

its a really good system,but to be honest with you,its pretty hard to find stuff unless your searching is really high.

You won’t rely too much on lucky finds once there’s more places to search. You’ll be searching appropriate places for what you need. Need weapons? Look for a gun store or a police station. Need food, hit up the local corner store or supermarket.
- Con

Wow. If this is the Alpha the game should be amazing. Really nice Con, thanks for pleasing your eager fans.

The walking controls seem to stick for me, though I’m not sure if this is a problem with the game, or a problem on my end.

I like the new additions. I didn’t seem to find much in the way of bugs, other than those listed, but if I do, I know where to go.

Sounds like it’s performance lag, try turning a bunch of the effects off in the options.
- Con

Hey, Con.
If you dont take out anything from a box,and keep searching you still get 7 xp.

its a great alpha but iv noticed i can glitch lvls searching, over and over again. it helps find stuff butt i went form 3>5 just searching and i didn’t mean to either

Awesome, i also see how you improved the way the bullets hit things

It´s pretty awesome Con, but the XP that we gain by reloading, is this going to happen on the final version?

It needs to be tweaked.
- Con

this is starting to look great (well,it looked great from the start)keep up the good work

One more thing Con.
When you level up, your health does not grows, only if you use a medkit to recover it.
Sorry if you already knew about this one.

Thanks. Do you mean it doesn’t refill or the maximum doesn’t go up?
- Con

Unsure of how you worded this: “- Search XP will only be given the first time you open a container. ” is this the INTENDED practice, as in what will be in the final version? Or should it currently be implemented? Because if so, it is not true.

That’ll be how it is in the final version. Because we’re refreshing contents at the moment, it’s awarded every time it’s opened.
- Con

I know, its a not suggestion box or a Q&A, but shouldn’t there be something specifically geared towards upgrading the following 2 components? There are those general upgrades, but what about being specific to just these 2?

-Weight that can be carried.
-Accuracy of firearms

The second could be determined by the categorized weapon they are in, but when I look at the descriptions, it only talks about damage and reload skill, not accuracy.

Yeah, Strength for weight and Precision for accuracy. Skills for the weapon types do increase accuracy, can’t believe I left that out of the descriptions, hah!
- Con

sweet,and the same thing whit the deleted weapons happens whit clothes,exelent skills fitness ftw!

yes a loading bar thank you!!!

A couple of questions I forgot to ask because I was so excited about a new Alpha

1) Will multiple save files be in the game? (For those of us with TLS loving siblings)

2) Will we get to chose our stats at the beginning? (When we first make our people) For example, if I want to add more to Luck and not something else.

3) Will we be able to get those sweet fedora’s I saw some of the zombies wearing?

Yes, yes, yes!
- Con

when you fire and press ESC, your character will keep firing, but the bullets stay where you are, and when you unpause all the bullets fire simultaneously

Ah, good pickup.
- Con

i realy love it the ak is a realy good weapon but what jon sad isnt true the Kalasjnikov is way more better then the chinese ripoff

The game unpauses even though the options menu is up under certain conditions.

If you click the Character Sheet or Inventory, then click the Options Menu the game gets unpaused even though the Character Sheet or Inventory and Options Menu is open.
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7626/unpauseglitch.png

If you open the Options Menu first then Character Sheet or Inventory it works fine.

Thanks for this, I’ll look into it.
- Con

bug: melee attacks behind you also

i was surrounded swinging a bat and damage points were floating above the zombie behind me

Hey, I was wondering, is there gonna be a part of the game where you need to use the gas mask.

Maybe.
- Con

hey con just a thought,
will the stuff you wear affect your max cargo?
like cargo pants allow a couple of kg more or
a bigger backpack will let you carry more or so..
great game so far thanks

No, no, maybe.
- Con

Also, did you implement a struggle system? Cause one zombie came next to me, and I froze with the letter E floating above me. I’m guessing that is the struggle system.

Ah yeah, that’s been in for ages. They have a very tiny chance of triggering it at the moment. It’s not fully implemented yet.
- Con

Something went wacky, as I reloaded the rifle you get auto in the third room, and everything froze. A message pops up saying something in adobe flash is causing it to run slow. So I abort it and now my guy is running through every animation he can; reload 1, reload 2, reload 3 (where it looks like he’s pumping a shotgun), shove, shoot, pistol shoot, swing 1, swing 2, swing 3, and all of it with the rifle. And I can’t stop it.

Were you entering a room or just reloading on the spot? I’ve had it crash on me a few times like that too. There’s something up with the reload sequence that’s allowing it to go into an infinite loop.
- Con

something i’ve noticed in recent alphas. if you delete ammunition, it is still there, and if you collect more of the ammo you deleted, the counter re-appears

Wow, very nice Con. One thing, I might be seeing things though. It was noted in the last alpha’s comments, but I noticed “John Smith” still has that slight limp in his walking, more noticably when walking backwards. Just thought I’d give a head-up.

Yeah, got that one need to tighten up the walk anim.
- Con

7.62 AMMO!!!!! WOOT!!!!!
Shotgun ammo please?

Yep, soon.
- Con

I love this alpha but there is thing makes my teeth crunch.

When you click Save and Quit it doesnt save your Ammuniton and resets it on a very low level.

I had 2000 shot and after the reload of the game [with the save] i’ve just 300 shots.

The rest looks very very nice. I think you are on the way making one of the best flashgames ever. ‘keep on

~d3wd

Ah yeah, ammo stores get reset to a set value on reload as stated clearly in the notes.
- Con

I mean how do you restart from scratch again

Clear your browser cache or use a combination of the console commands.
- Con

- Delete clothing and equips it instead
- Occasionally when opening a door character has torso backwards
- Dead zombies randomly on ground
- Occasionally a non dead zombie on ground, I walk over the damn thing and THEN it gets up, not like past version when they just got up if you got near them
- Cant find any food? Guessing there isnt meant to be any
- Really, really hard to find ammo
- Tissues? Getting a little insulting now huh?
- Deleting clothing, deletes it back equips it as well

Thats it for now, played this for 5 minutes on work break

Dead people are meant to be there. No food in the apartment, only lucky / skilled finds. No need for tissues, I make games on the internet for a living remember. I’ve had thousands more “insulting” things thrown at me.
- Con

Woot! Just spent a helluva long time playing the alpha. Even with the few bugs it still has, the game is totally playable as it is.

The only real issue I had was when zombies rushed me and my gun barrel stuck through them, my bullets went right through them without damaging them. It only happens when I’m crouching and the zombies run as close to me as possible, then I have to back up otherwise I cant shoot them.

OMG! I can’t wait for this game!! It’s gonna PWN @$$!! Thanks you so much Con!

I just wanted to say that this is probably going to be one of the most epic flash games that the world has ever seen.

there is no SMG’s (yet)

You did Good Job.

how do i get rid of exhaustion? does it affect me in the alpha?

Read the post.
- Con

Hey Con, I was wondering what the sleep locations will be like. Like will sleeping in the bed of an abandoned house heal your “sleep level” faster but put you in danger of being attacked by zombies?

Or maybe you can sleep in a car and not risk getting attacked but regain energy slower?

And what will sleeping on the spot be like in the finished game? Will you need some sort of camp thing and if you do can you upgrade it by finding items?

I’m thinking that maybe you will be able to sleep anywhere and each location will have a risk factor. I really like the Red Dead Redemption camp idea too
- Con

i dont think you should have exp for reloading. people are going to reload after each shot and get a ton of exp that way.

not seeing any new issues in this alpha version, but something I was wondering about is if you have put in any submachine guns into the cache of possible items that come up while searching.

Looking good so far, Con.

~GySgt. Murphy

Not yet, will be doing a suggestion time for SMG’s this week some time.
- Con

-How will the sleep and hunger effect your character( like will there be HP loss, will he move slower, ect)?
-Will you make a limit on how much ammo you can carry? Even if you have max stats, you shouldn’t be able to carry 300lbs of lead.
-Why can’t you shoot the zombies on the floor and why are there random bodies strewn about that aren’t zombies?

Lack of sleep will affect your alertness, so your Precision and Intellect stats will take a hit. Hunger will affect your physical attributes, so endurance and strength will drop. Those attribute drops will filter through to your skills that fall under them.

Dead bodies in a zombie apocalypse? I never.
- Con

This made my sunday as sad as it sounds. its really coming together now the stat system is in place it will be one fine game for shure.
btw i noticed a cheat sort of, you can reload while it’s paused by reloading and then searching in a wardrobe or w.e

i use military helmet, gasmask, white long shirt, cargo pants, black shoes, with the Sledge and AK47. the ak is superior to all the other rifles in my opinion.

looking forward to more clothes and junk.

peace

DAMN YOU CON I AM SUPPOSED TO BE REVISING FOR MY GCSE EXAM TOMORROW…the games shaping out to be awesome though

Hey Con, Just wondering if there is going to be voice acting for the NPC’s?

Depends on the scope of the story. Sound files can be quite large, don’t want the game to be too huge.
- Con

very fun con cant wait till the next version of the demo its getting better and better. Your aswome.

wow, very nice job… i honestly cannot wait till this comes out, i mean its shaping up to be more than i thought, and this is only an alpha! imagine the full game!

i know its not the game bug my guy keeps walking and meessing up its ticking me off

In what way?
- Con

Melee weapons just wakes up sleeping zombies but don´t deal any damage, until they are standing

i mean it only happend on one computer of mine so i used my other computer and after countless minutes of setting up my nerd office i got to work, I write down whatever weapons i find for the fun of it and i enjoy the little parts. so it had to of been the computer. it still lags when i turn on the flashlight though

Did you try the low flashlight option?
- Con

Hey con have you ever played the game Fallout 3 by Bethesda. Its like one of the best games ever but this game is a HELL of alot like it only instead of it being a nuclear apoclypse its a zombie apoclypse.

Heh, of course I have. It’s the main inspiration.
- Con

sorry for all the comments and feedback con. it must be apain to read all these but just to let you know is that you said that your trying not to make it too big. you never know bigger is better and The Last Stand could become a LARGE trilogy and id bet people would hate to see the last stand end.

lol con im practicly making a book of this game like a stradigy guide with drawings and such.

Wow this is amazing! Looks much better with every new alpha release!

Also I found a book called “Hunter and Trapper” (I think) and it said +5 to traps but I don’t see a trap skill. Is this a just a spelling error or is there going to be a traps skill?

Ah yeah, I removed the trap skill, rolled it into Spec Weapons. I’ll have to fix that. Good pickup.
- Con

if you need any help con you can ask me, this will be my last comment for a while and ill get back to playing the alpha.

Havent actually played the alpha yet but its a relief to see a post on here. Nice to know your still alive Con.

hey con, not sure if this is a bug or something, but i was shooting a zombie in the middle room as it was climbing the box at arround 17:37 (not sure if thats important =p), and when i shot him with the M16A2 his arm fell off and turned blue. Not sure if it was intended or a bug but i thought id tell ya =p

In response to #32 about the hp bar, I think he meant that when you level up, and you’re at full health, your health bar will still say 86/86 and will not show 120/120, for example, until you use medication.

Cool, thanks. I’ll fix that up.
- Con

found a search glitch, when your searching a book case, if u keep ur cursor on the bookcase, and not take it off, you can walk far away and still be able to search it

Ohhhh nice find. Guessing I’m not rechecking for proximity once it’s triggered, good find.
- Con

hey con, i’m just wondering how u will sleep in the full version i know that you answered Jacob’s question about this, but i’m asking about the full game (it’s okay if u want to keep this a secret, though).

At the moment I’m thinking it’ll be triggered by an inventory item like a bedroll.
- Con

hey con when are you going to add attachments? Also i saw music in the options cant wait to hear it.

Later, just figuring out the particulars.
- Con

Sweet. All my questions had yes answer’s.

I have a glitch (not sure if it has been reported yet) In some instances, I find the character sliding on his heels in the game. It just does it randomly, no matter what weapons, clothes, or anything.

I also noticed in close combat, the shots miss (I know this has been reported, just confirming it)

No glitch, the character likes to wear heelys(tm).
- Con

When you are walking and then crouch you lose half of your character did and it will reapear after a second.

Hy con.
It’s a great game, but…
It has so many bugs!

Your level up is couriosus, because it’s levels me sometimes up and gives me 60 statepoints… and it gives me statepoints without levelup!

I can’t open the console, I don’t know why.
(Played on Internet explorer 8, newest adobe flash player premium(!) etc.)

I can’t hit an standing-up zombie with an meele-weapon

The Statpoints goes to 111, but a book says to me, that I have only 100, so what is the maximum?

But all in all, the game is great!

Yeah, it’s an alpha champ.
You can’t open the console, hit the ~ key, what happens?
You can’t open the console, but you maxed out your skills…
Ugh, you’re confusing.
- Con

sorry that i keep commenting so much, but can u get different types of bedrolls with advantages and drawbacks for example:u can find a super, fancy deluxe bedroll that gives u better rest, but it’s heavier, or u can find a simple bedroll that doesn’t give as good sleep, but it’s lighter.Also, can u find blankets to improve ur sleep, but adds a small amount of weight to ur back.

Yeah, something like that.
- Con

i dont know what decal or body fade is but my game is lagging due to so many bodys! its very crazy. And even though ive increased serching and luck by alot i still end up with useless junk?

Increase body fade to high.

Search skill doesn’t reduce junk, good idea though. Might put that in.
- Con

not so much of a question but i jsut wanted to say i love the deaths of the zombies. Keep up the good work =) gonna be one of the best free online games for a long time =)

oh and are there going to be any stair cases in the game or is it all one floor?

Yep.
- Con

also i have to ask so the game DOES save now? cause i have to go take a shower and id hate to loose what ive gotten so far.

Yeah, go into a different room it’ll autosave.
- Con

Well, the maximum dosen´t go up, you need to use a medkit for this to happen. But it refills perfectly.
Sorry for my bad english, I´m from Brazil

Não tem problema.
Your english is good. Much better than my Portuguese.
- Con

hey con i was wondering if youll add he ability to find survivors in a alpha or will we have till the full game comes

by the way nce game

I had it freeze on me when I was standing still, I’m pretty sure.

You were reloading though, yeah?
- Con

Love your answer to my last question, Con. Glad to see dealing with people like me all day hasn’t killed your sense of humor…


- Con

WOW! Just 3 things:
1) making corpses searchable would be pretty cool
2) I can just keep searching things over and over to lvl up because when I search them I get xp no matter what
3) Perks would be nice like getting perks from lvling up or completing quests like Fallout
and by the way, the level up sign is kinda hard to see so make it larger or something so people will notice and not just play the whole game with default skill points

1. Some will be.
2. Please for the love of James Maynard Keenan, read the post.
3. Level up thing is just the start, it’ll make a song and dance when you gain a level.
- Con

When I press e to get the things and i accidentilly move it closes the box and everything in that box was taken and it is very annoying will it be fixed in the real game?

even though i increased body fade to high it still take forever for the bodys to go.

Yeah, I need to tweak the values there.
- Con

I found a small glitch: very occasionally, a zombie will freeze after climbing over a box. They don’t move and don’t seem to react to being shot (except for dieing). I’ve played for several hours and have only seen this happen once or twice.

Keep up the good work!

Um I never had the bandanna equiped and just deleted it with a bunch of other stuff I didn’t want but it equipped itself automatically with no way to get it off. It was really weird. Just wondering if anyone else has mentioned a similar problem.

responding to #87… i know u said particulars, but if there is music in the game, will it be just be music written just for the game, or real songs (or both , cause fallout 3 had real songs)

So i found a few issues that i dont think were mentioned yet:

1) when you click to swing a melee type weapon while pressing down left or right at the same exact time (to walk), you will slide.
2) Future weaponry skill book did not add +5 to my spec. wep. skill, the item description showed Current Skill: undefined
3) wheres wilmo’s description showed Current Skill: 57, when it was actually 63 at the time.

Cheers, just fixed these.
- Con

This is my brother’s question, not mine. So please don’t ban me from here forever if it has already been answered. He’s kind of the make awesome looking people first, play the actual game second kinda guy.

So anyway, will you be able to get hair with hats, or will it just like disappear under it?

P.S. You better be serious about it doing a song and dance if you level up. If it doesn’t, it will crush my happiness like people crush castles….

Hair will stick out from under hats.
- Con

only because all of the alphas and betas have been in these rooms in houses i just want to check, this isnt how the game is going to be is it? will you be confined to going in houses and fighting zombies in the rooms or will there be zombies in the outside and city also? is the city just used for walking around or walking around and fighting zombies is basically what im saying

There’ll be a large number of street sections as well as a bunch of other different locales.
- Con

This game is starting to look amazing, great work!

In response to the comment Hesojam #90,

I have a laptop computer and the “~” isn’t the key to the left of the 1 and above the TAB buttom; you have to press the “ñ” key (Spanish n) in order to make the console appears. This also happened in games such as Half-Life, so it’s a hardware problem, not game’s.

*Nods*

That’s right.

I noticed a bug in which bullets shot from M1911 go through every zombie after (not while) they have climbed up the box, no matter if they slide (due to the bug) or walk while on the top. Bullet detection works fine with G17 pistol and M16A2.

thanks for the new alpha. You almost got rid of the common problems. I only saw the slide glitch just once and the melee weapons now have appropriate melee! (GASP*) anyway, the character stats are really giving me a hard time and a good reason to play even more so i can develop my character. Though don’t you think giving exp. pts. while searching is kinda an easy way to level up?

You manage to fix the random zombie lying down, now it stands up from a pile of dead zombies to confuse us and he can wake up at a random moment. fantastic! =) so we can sneak up right? why not give the character some special moves, like giving some dead men a suplex? decapitate some heads? shove some knives in their brains, eyes, noses, etc etc?

again Brilliant Alpha! BRAVO. audience claps*

Just about zombie reactions- how will the day/night cycle tie into the game, other than light?

In TLS 1 and 2, you were only attacked at night. Does this mean they are less aggressive in the daytime? Will that carry over to UC?

Also, do the zombies react to your torch, and if not, have you considered adding that?

Looking awesome so far, but I still can’t find anything other than a baseball bat, M4A1, G17 and M1911. Guess I’ll just have to keep looking.

The zombies can’t see as far in the dark and yes they react to your flashlight. As for TLS 1 and 2 “lore” you were out searching during the day, it was just easier to avoid them in the day because you could see them.
- Con

Just discovered this then- the bat hits enemies standing behind you. Just confirming.

The standing up is even better than ever, I just got cornered. you could remove the bugs from this and release it, and it would be better than many other games I’ve played.

Thanks for the Hotkey for Bag… ^_^

BUGS/GLITCHES
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1. The Options Menu when you go into say “Visual Options” then hit back the “Visual Options” stays highlighted while you highlight other options, this fixes itself if you scroll over “Visual Options” again, but if you don’t and go into another and do the same they just all stay highlighted.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7398/optionmenu.png

2. Like my other comment about the Option Menu unpausing the game, this does it while searching as well just slightly different. I went in to a zombie room to test it. I started searching the game paused, i then clicked the Options Menu, this unpaused the game for the zombies but i was unable to move/shoot and the search window was still open. (The difference between the comments is that in this you can’t move/shoot and the other you could.) ((It was comment 49))
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2801/attackwhilesearch.png

3a. Interrupting gun reload, first when you have ammo in the clip you drop the clip to put another in, but hitting “Space” to shove you stop putting another clip in. So at this point you don’t have a clip in put you can still fire all the rounds that were left in the old clip.
3b. Interrupting gun reload, second when you when you already don’t have a clip in the gun because of (3a. see above) and you go to reload it drops a clip even though none is in it and goes to put a new one in. This will happen over and over if you use shove to stop the animation.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1529/interruptinggunreload.png

4. The ammo count is correct in the item section of the inventory but when you scroll over it and it displays the description with ammo count it is wrong. (When searching the description ammo count shows correct just so you know)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9730/ammocount.png
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5. Where have all the fat zombies gone?
6. Will you be able to put stuff back in cabinets/bookshelves/etc, like in Fallout 3? (although not an infinite amount like in fallout 3;)
7. Will there be an option to turn on the camera view that the Options Menu uses when the game is paused? Cause film grain + camera view is awesome looking.
8. Would be nice if zombies that you shoot get knocked down and then get back up on occasion and try attacking again?
9. Would be nice if you could shoot the dead zombies on the ground and have blood squirt/ooze out, this would also make it harder to find the zombies laying in wait.

yeah about the weapon sound problem i got it narrowed down.
the few weapons with sound are the shotgun,(still no shells able to be picked up?) G17 (that gun has to much weight for a pistol), and the m16a2 (burstfire still needs some help) also that assault rifle reloading glitch from .75 is still here.

other than that you did a absolutely stunning job. this is a HUGE leap ahead. im glad you included 7.62 ammo, since most of the larger weapons use them. This game is on the way to flash game greatness!
ps. I assume the next suggestion time will be for SMGs?

Not a bug, just not implemented. Already answered your question too.
- Con

By the way Con, I’ve noticed that once you reach a level 10, when you increase your stats and exit the character menu, then go back to it, exit, and then once more again, you get even more points to upgrade your abilities! I’d just thought I’d yet you know.
-Sean

hey con what are decal fade rate and body fade rate? should i put them on high for less high u should put a description for some of the options and last thing u should make the letter “P” go to the pause menu.

High fade rates is better for performance. So yes, high if your computer is running slow.
- Con

Oh, and I also resent the ‘A’ button when searching. I’m moving left and click something to shirt and everything goes in.

Fought a bug. For some reason when I passed from the room with the window to the next room, my character simple disappeared. Also, I have managed to find: Fal rifle, Ak-47, Scar-H, M4, M16, XM-8, shotgun, sledge, machete, kitchen knife, and a bunch of pistoles, riot-helm, military helm, and gas mask; am I missing anything else?

Hi,

Well if you have drained your primary’s and secondary’s weapon’s mags, and you keep switching them with Q you earn reload XP…probably known.

But why i did the post, is because…well if you reload, you drop your magazine, but you keep your bullets…this is kind of nonsense. If i waste 2 bullets and reload, then i drop the magazine, but only 2 bullets are lost.
You should change that…mainly because it would prevent exploiting XP earning with reload. And secondly because it would be more realistic.

Also add one visual option, would be nicer to the eye (details, details, details).

In my opinion, reload XP is not worth implending.

Also if outdoor graphichs behind the windows would move depending on the movement, would be major visual improvement…it would be more realistic that way…but probably too hard to implend, since you have all those pictures done.

Probably few lights or bloodsplatters could fill the emptiness in the ceilings.

You do make icons for each skill? I spotted the holder there, would be nice.

Also when night, the Day/Night code should decrease brightness in windows (ourdoor graphics)…but not sure how the borders would look.

-Regards, will look forward to your reply.

Here is my reply. Read the post. No let me do it… – Reload XP exploits. See that, that’s your 2 paragraphs answered. Oh wait, here’s another one under Character Sheet – Empty boxes on this screen will have icons eventually.

Jeeeeeeeesus.
- Con

1. Hey con just wondering did u get thw name john smith from the movie Mr. and Mrs smith? (great movie)

2. By the way could’nt find AK-74 is this a glitch or is’nt it implemented?

LOVE this alpha, … got nothing smart to say so keep up the good work!

1. John Smith is the most standard male name, Brad Pitt’s character in that horrible movie was a joke about this, they were trying to be nobodies, common people.
2. It’s in there.
- Con

FAL Battle rifle, yeah baby!

Though criminally ineffective at higher levels, it’s an awesome gun.

Question : Will using the console to put my char back to level 1 delete everything on my person / inventory?

Still questing to find that damned Gas Mask, I want to see it !

D :

This alpha has tons of stuff Con, Great Work!

The new character command will reset your inventory I think, yeah.
- Con

Add to comment No. 90

Sorry that I’m confusing, but the game is also confusing…

If i hit the ~, nothing happens, I can’t set my level up or someting else!

Each level gives 10 statepoints and 1 special point, I gain sometimes 60 Statepoints without an Level up!!! O_o

By an level up, I gain the normal amount of statepoints.

It’s possible, that i open the console but not see him, and level up by playing the game. but that is confus…

- Hesojam

Here is a picture, hope that this picture will help!

http://i47.tinypic.com/33xkeav.png

That is really odd. Not sure how that’s happening at all.
- Con

Great alpha! Best one so far! Make sure you remember to hit me up for an interview

P.S: Loved the TV effect

Heh of course. I couldn’t find any of your work, what sort of thing do you normally write?
- Con

Greetings!
I know this is a lot to ask, but you know in our country, we don’t have “~” button, and I/we won’t be able to use the console. So it would be very good if you could take it to an other button, like Tab, or Alt. Thank you!

Found a bug, if you walk through a door and keep pressing forward all the time, the walk animation gets stuck in the new room.

Looks VERY nice so far keep up the good work. I’m a big fan of the TLS series

don’t know if this is known so figured i’d report it, I walked into a room (the one all the way on the left if that matters) and it was night time. But when i entered the room is was bright as day time with a few zombies dead on the floor dark as though they were in night time then a few seconds later it turned to night time. It was odd figured you might wanna fix that

Did you happen to catch the time?
- Con

This is the last for today:
if i set up:
first weapon m16
back up weapone : m16
is not possible to change the weapon with Q (i can’t use two type of same weapon ?)

Hmmm, might be a conflict in the weapon switching code. I’ll check it out.
- Con

if you clik outside the box while moving left or right, the guy will move start moon walking lol. he slowly moves in that direction but his legs are still moving normally.

I’m sitting at level 27 right now, and all stats maxed out at 10. If you level up it adds points to your pool but you cannot add anymore points.

Is 10 the hard cap?

It should be 20, I’ll have to check that.
- Con

Ardivaba #123:
“But why i did the post, is because…well if you reload, you drop your magazine, but you keep your bullets…this is kind of nonsense. If i waste 2 bullets and reload, then i drop the magazine, but only 2 bullets are lost.”

I think he means that if he shoots for example twice a M1911 (7 bullets) there would remain 5 bullets in the clip, if you reload the character drops the clip, but he doesn’t lose those 5 in the clip; he just reloads 2 bullets. Ardiva was asking if you could implement the Day of Defeat system, in which you reload clips, not bullets.

Yeah, the issue with it is you’re dropping the half empty mag, then people will want to be able to pick them up again. Pain in the arse.
- Con

found a bug before when i killed a zombie at point blank with the m16 (i forgot how to shove so my half my bullets missed) but when he finally died, i couldnt walk over his body, or jump. it blocked me from continuing in the room. although walking out of the room and back in fixed the issue.

What was the zombie doing at the time?
- Con

Found a glitch

When you press reload and the caracter removes a clip and then you shove the gun has no clip but you can shoot
I only found it at the AK-47 and M-16

when I exit a room I get 40 points for strength-intellect all that and 4 points for luck-precision its cool but weard

Yeah, trying to track this bug down now.
- Con

Great alpha! I’m not sure if you’ve mentioned this already (just caught wind of TLS:UC yesterday), but if you’re implementing a sleep and hunger system, will you by some chance be able to use foods that raise energy (sleep) as well? (Ex. Energy drinks, coffee)

Yeah, I’ve got plans for that sort of stuff.
- Con

anotehr edit on the scar: after looking closely to the weapon, its ingame design is that of the scar-L, which is chambered for the 5.56mm cartridge. the scar-L holds 30 rounds in a mag and has standard m16 style magazines. the scar-H is chambered for the 7.62mm cartridges, and holds 20 rounds in a m14 style magazine. i hope this helps

I really don’t care…
- Con

Hey Con
I’ve tested for a long time the statepoints bug.
My results are:
If you change a room and the “Level up” button is active, you gain sometimes 10 statepoints when you push him.

If you change a room and your “Level up” button is active, you gain 10, 20, 30… Statepoints if you push first the normal character button and after closing of the window you must push the “Level-up” button.

It’s a bit courious becaus by the second bug, by the gained statepoints is the amount of the gained levels during this gamesession important -> Game start, level11 = 10 SP, level 12 = 20 SP, etc.

So I hope this Informations wil help you.

– Hesojam

Ah right, I see now. Thanks for the extra info. Seems it’s piling those points up on changing rooms.
- Con

I hope you realize that the 7.62 x 39mm (7.62 Soviet) used in the AK-47 & Simonov is not the same and completely incompatible with the 7.62 x 51mm (7.62 NATO) used in the SCAR-H, & FAL

Yeah, I’ve said a million times, I know. It’s a flash game, 99% of people have no clue. I’m thinking I might just change the ammo names to: Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun etc etc, just to stop people ‘sperging out over these tiny details.
- Con

How come melee hits with a gun doesn’t do any damage

Shoves will do a small amount eventually.
- Con

Strangely enough in fallout new vegas in hardcore mode ammo has weight, considering under the bottle cap items in the game you even put “Could this be currency?” or something – im just putting that out there.

The only thing is the dead zombies look very…zombie like, though I guess its hard to make dead humans look different from dead zombies I suppose.

As for the dropping a clip on the floor thing, I know you have enough on your back atm but im just saying perhaps the animation could just be putting it in your pocket quickly? Again just putting that out there.

The alpha’s are looking great so far, something new and great every time! Looking forward to see how things like sleep will work.

I GOTZ 2, NO TREE TINGS!

1. ok, so i just got my fav. gun (AK-47 baby!!)
and i decided to find an ammo hunt, i found around 2000 rounds, will there be a limit on rounds?

2. flashlights: i know we start out with a flashlight, but it was kinda weak. i played till bout 2:30 in game time, and it was MEGA dark. the flash lights range didnt cover all i could see, and i found my self swarmed! will there be better flash lights ( like from cheap plastic ones, to magnum lights) and will there also be headlamps.

3. Room lighting: as in my second thing, i said it was MEGA dark. this is so, but i noticed something… when i went to the room with windows, i found that it was lighter in there! then i went to the room with the black couch, and it was uber-duber-fuber-dark. will it be lighter in windowed rooms than in non windowed rooms (like BASEMENTS)

MEGA.
Yeah, the lighting needs to be tweaked.
- Con

Nice job con the this alpha is a great improvement. I did not see any glitches although i only played for an hour.

P.s. Do you plan to implement revolvers?

much Appreciation!

The nighttime game-play is downright scary. The only glitch i’ve found is that when reloading the SCAR-H the dropping Mag flashes white for a split second.

I do think it would be cool if you included some sort of Night-Vision/Thermal Goggle option, something you would have to find naturally.

Oh and did you know TLS 2 has 15 million plays on armorgames alone?

I’m level 4 right now and I have noticed something. When you apply your skill points and you go to another room, you get you skill points back

Are you applying them with the confirm button?
- Con

HOLY BLLEEP.
I walk into a room at level 28 and im mobbed.

Lot’s of new and awesome features but it is even more glitchy than before. The menus and graphics are looking good otherwise.

That’s the price of progress in game creation Kac.
- Con

Yeah, I am applying them. I just change rooms and I have another 10 skill points to spend on top of the ones I already have spent

You are pressing confirm?

Edit: Nevermind, got it. It’s the other closing options like hitting the hotkeys, button etc not returning the points to the pool.
- Con

yo con i noticed that when i left the game yesturday and got back on today my guy did not autosave?! He started out the same and i lost the gas mask (fav clothes item) also are you gunn put in a bullet proof vest to go with the the army style costume or something?

The autosave only happens when travelling between rooms and in a few other place at the moment. I’ve gotta put an indicator in so I know when it’s actually happening and tie it down.
- Con

hey con can you maybe thing of putting in some brightness settings i know its supposed to go day and night but my laptop is a small version and it makes my screen darker.

This game might be one of the few where I can actually do that. I am going to tweak the lighting a bit yet though. But yeah, it’s going to be impossible to please everyone.
- Con

i understand its hard to please everyone, But its good to suggest and plus the good thing is that your fans are acually your spotters (as in spotting glitches,bugs,ect.)

Yes.
- Con

ok there is one question is there going to be a warning when you delete something because i accidentily deleted my m9 when i thought it was the m1911 just a thought for some of us shaky hands.

I thought about adding one, but figured it’d be annoying as hell when you are deleting large amounts of stuff.
- Con

1. About deleting (comment 156) i agree a confirm box would be very annoying, but i do think it would be nice to have something. Maybe drop them on the floor and have them disappear like the bodies/shells, or have a list of recently deleted stuff in the inventory that lasts a min or 2, or maybe keep it how it is and really make people pay attention to what they are doing .

2. About ammo (comment 142) I hope you don’t change the names for the ammo to “Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun etc etc”, i think that would make it to general, i love how they are named now even if they are not totally correct. (I am one of the people that didn’t know the ammo was incorrect).

If you keep the ammo how it is currently named (which i hope), it would be nice if the type of ammo for the gun was shown for each gun when you select it.

1. The result of dropping stuff on the floor is that there needs to be a visual representation of the item, plus interact code for each item. Just making all the items in game physical will be a nightmare in itself.

2. Yeah, no one cares when GTA does it. But when the solo flash guy does, look out!
- Con

Con… I know the glitch/bugg that is in the game
I am pressing all the buttons of the key board and I’ve got a bonus 30 statpoints so please fix it…

Yeah I know what the problem is now. Will be fixed in the next build. If you want to avoid it, only use the exit button on the character screen to close it.
- Con

Sorry Con i did not, i didn’t realize it was time related til the room darkened

Might’ve been the switch between 10pm and 1am lighting. Not sure when I fixed it, will double check.
- Con

I’d first like to say your making an amazing game, i love how the shells get ejected out of the guns and how you really drop the clip out of the gun. Theres a lot of games that just don’t do this. Hopefully my comments help more then they annoy

1. When any zombie is on boxes you cannot get a headshot, one got stuck on the box which allowed me more time to test this. I aim right at his head from any distance and bullets go right thru/past his head.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3200/nozombieheadshot.png

2. This one doesn’t really matter, when you reset to a new character your health stays at what it was out of the new value as my hp is “1466 / 135″
(this is also shown in the screenshot above)

Wow, Cool Stuffs!!!
I got….
XM8
AK47
FAL Battle Rifle
M16A2
M4A1
G17 Pistol
Wool Hat Brown
Riot Helm
Cargo Pants CAMO
and
Black/Brown Shoes!!!

WOOT!

umm some of the guns weights are off example a glock is worth 7 units of weight (more then the bat) and a 1911 is worth only 2.5 and a glock is made out of plastic composite while 1911 is made of steel? also do all the pistols have zero knock back?

Yep, know about them.

All weapon stats need to be balanced yet. Knockback was introduced after I implemented the pistols, so they’re probably at 0% at the moment.
- Con

Found a glitch.
You can’t headshot a zombie stuck moving or stuck on a box, only torso shot or legshot them.

I just answered this one.

Edit: I thought I did, turns out I didn’t. It’s tied to them being stuck in the box, their collisions are being left behind.
- Con

Really good con, Only thing i think is a little funny is rifles in book shelfs. Thats how a zombie survivalist would like
Cant wait till the next one, and last stand wont happen for reals

I Dunno What if somone said this but abusing the levelUp too much gets the game to lag. lol

Yeah, using console commands will break things. Big surprise there
- Con

i just read all the comments and now I see that you must be going insane. but then again you are keeping up good humor. I might have found a glitch:
After I had deleted my character, the clothing disappeared, as with all my inventory, yes i know that should happen. but what shouldn’t happen is that my health and equpped weapons stayed, as well as ammo. I closed the browser and the weapons dissapeared but then the health and skill points earned had stayed. I reapeated this a couple times. so no not just a one time thing. Although i did laught when it said I had 468 health out of 120.
Two more things, first i found two XM8′s after my skills reset, in a row, as well as a gas mask and military helmet. Now may fave combo is,
Scar, XM8, gas mask, military helmet, suit top, cargo pants and black shoes.
….there if you took the time to read all this thanks and keep making good games
PS I always chucle at the fallout ref.

New character is doing exactly what it’s meant to do. Be a debug tool to reset the char stats. If it doesn’t reset everything, I don’t care. Gotta remember, these are things I put in for MY use, not everyones. Think I’ll be disabling them in the next Alpha. Too much drama.
- Con

If con didn’t have humor this game would be crap, come on don’t u agree?

Though this may be straying off the topic a bit, but I would like it if you could increase the chance of finding a weapon? I know you would probably say no, but sometimes I feel it seems pointless walking around the whole day in 3 small rooms searching for guns.

Also, one bug. When I was playing it was really dark. I notice the dust created by the bullets hitting objects was as bright.