The Last Stand: Union City - Early Alpha

Hey, this is looking great. Could you email me? I’d like to discuss some things with you.

Given your email address and URL, no I can’t. This is in production for Armor Games as I’m in an exclusivity contract with them until 2011. You can contact Daniel over there once the game is done if you wish to talk licensing at that point.

- Con

second!!!alpha is good but the flashlight sould be a continous stream ar light not a circleother then that its awsome

Soon as someone can write a 3D light engine for me that works in flash, sure!
- Con

Con thank you! I completly love it I like the fact that you inabled running, crouching, and jumping affect your accuracy the only thing i’d like to ask is will the zombie bodies and bullets be generated inside the objects? (Ex. You kill a zombie, there legs fall beside the box, The same things happen with bullets your right next to a box and when you shoot the bullets appear at the very front of the box, will this be changed? I know its still in alpha stage so if you find this offensive i’m sorry.

Zombies will recognise boxes at all times, so their death animations will be affected by them, yes. Same with walls. Bullets being fired right next to boxes and player collision with boxes is still in the works. I’m thinking that I might make weapons collide with the boxes, stopping you from aiming into them.
- Con

Great ! Can’t wait for it !

Looks pretty good so far. I also enjoyed the god mode for the time being. The weapons worked swimmingly and movement was pretty good. Of there is needed improvement, but so far it’s better than most flash games out, and it only has two rooms. The flashlight is pretty cool, and I like the whole day and night thing. Looks great, and I’m getting excited for the release.

The aiming the moving ect. was great! I do not have any suggestions for that.

Feels awesome and looks awesome. Only thing i wish we could move up and down like in the previous ones, u know in a wider hallway, seems cramped. Also the boxes made a barrier against the zombies, are they supposed to do that or are they supposed to be able to be destroyed?

I’ve explained the depth thing in a response to an earlier comment. Boxes / barriers, it depends on the zombie. Some will be smart enough to climb over!
- Con

Seems about fine. The walking crouch looked a bit funny but it’s fine. Smooth gameplay. Would the crouch help in precision and accuracy and obstacles? Is it possible to walk slowly to not alert your presence in the game? But stealth would play some worth in this game… Can zombies trip over barricades and obstacles on accident? Adds to the realism aspect. The flashlight good with me, but more frames for the jumping would be nice. Can characters move certain obstacles/rearrange them/ place boxes, items, etc. Also can a character’s weapons destroy or break obstacles. Good so far and quite impressed. Sorry in advance if I ask too much.

Oh then I think it makes me feel happy inside.

Opps I’m sorry about 2 things I re-read the selection and saw that you DON’T want to hear about that stuff. Also I’m sorry that i’m posting so much.

I like that when you shoot at the ceiling the bullets spray in all directions than just one.

What I want you guys to concentrate on in your comments is how it feels to you. Do you like the aiming / movement system? Does the key setup work for you?

I like the aiming and movement system, and I think the light and the flashlight are great.
I think the key setup work.
The only thing I don’t like is this:
When you shot with the rifle at night, the light of the shot is less bright than day and dawn. I think the light of shots is more visible at night, a bit less at dawn and only a few when is day.

Yeah, muzzle flashes aren’t setup to work with room light settings yet.
- Con

I love it! But I think its annoying when you walk through a door and zombies are standing right there waiting for you. Also I feel like the melee weapons should be stronger.

Very cool, I must say first of all.

Now, as for bugs, there are a couple:

1) One zombie spawned behind the crates at the far end of the room, making them trapped and impossible to hit.

2) The bullet holes on the cardboard boxes don’t seem right. It’s like you fired from monitor perspective. But I realize this is REALLY early development, so I won’t nit-pick.

3) When you immediately enter a room, there is like 1 or 2 zombies right on you. This would be quite annoying, as realistically, you’d check if there are zombies right near the door.

4) Even though the guy is technically a noob, the zombies are, in term, ‘mowed down’. I suspect this either has to do with the zombies lining up in 2 dimension, or the gun.

Suggestions:

1) Maybe have a control option, where instead of “Pressing the down key to crouch, then the up to stand up”, you could have “Holding the down key down crouches, and releasing makes you stand back up.

Well, just one suggestion, but I hope this helps!

PS: Seriously, this is amazing, that you did this in a few weeks. Making the alpha alone would take me probably 2 months.

Crouching I set up as toggle because that’s how I usually like it, I’ll add an option for hold crouch. Good suggestion.

- Con

Pretty awesome youre letting us play a bit of LS! I realize its still really, really early, but the only problem i had is when you crouch down, it got harder to aim/move the cross-hair around.

Harder? It’s exactly the same. Not sure what you mean.
- Con

Nice alpha, I like the art work and the dawn and night lighting. The day lighting feels too bright for a zombie game but since it will be a day-night cycle I think it will work.

The flashlight is nice and it feels like it fits into the game even though its just a circle its nothing to be picky about. I do however have a tutorial i was reading about a flashlight that can bend on objects and such in flash. I have actually been using it in my experiments with flash. If you’re interested in seeing that I will just post the link at the bottom of this comment.

Also, the zombies still look nice even though there isn’t much variation, to me it didn’t feel like it mattered.

Standard key layout was nice, arrow key layout needs some work. I have experimented with lefty layouts using arrow keys and the number pad seems to be a nice place to put “non-motion buttons.”

Other than that this is a great alpha showing off room design, movement, art, etc. I look forward to seeing your next entry.

So that tutorial i was talking about is right here. Its an interesing idea using lines to curve around objects. I know its about a topdown game but its the concept that is the main part, and i have used it in a sidescroller mock-up myself. Don’t spend too much time thinking about the lighting though, just thought you might want to check it out. (The lighting part i am talking about is close to the bottom.)

Tut Link:
http://www.emanueleferonato.com/2007/09/26/create-a-survival-horror-game-in-flash-tutorial-part-1/

-mp5xm8

i hate the way it aims or to be clearer i hate the fact the the reticule is larger then in previous last stand game and i do not like it

The reticule is showing what the very very bottom of the character skill and no attribute bonuses while using Automatics will look like. It represents the accuracy of the weapon. As you gain in skill, it becomes tighter and tighter.
- Con

It was pretty well done really. I liked the graphics and I really loved the flashlight. Jumping and recoil are good additions as well. Though I do have some issues. The crouching and standing thing doesn’t work for me. normally people who play shooters on the PC hold down to crouch. The recoil is kinda weird because recoil recovery is instantaneous. Is it possible to let is assign keys? And another question: will strength affect recoil?

Oh and being prone as well as kneeling would be nice. As well as laying your weapon against a surface (such as kneeling next to the boxes) could increase accuracy.

Oh and i just tested the light thing. Its a little ineffective actually. I noticed the slowing, but its not potent enough in my opinion. Just a side note though.

I felt that the movement and firing was very good and that the firing system seemed pretty cool. The hammer seemed kind of weak, are melee weapons supposed to be last resort kind of things are they going to be something you could use to fight of multiple zombies, because they easily back you into a corner when using it. Overall all the room system and aiming was cool and i completely adore the fact that a flash game is going to have enough depth to actually have a good shooter and a useful leveling system.

The key setup is great! it is fast and easy to use. The aiming and movement thing is cool, it gives you more “freedom”. I think that crouching and the flashlight are both great, they make you feel themed with the game. The Zombie AI is pretty good, the difference of their behavior with different levels of light is very depicted. You are doing great Con, this game will be awesome.

Hey Con, gotta say that I love what I see so far. Just one complaint about the flashlight: It feels awkward to use because it follows the mouse. It would make more sense to have it follow the weapon.

i have only one thing that i noticed is that bullets never land exactly where you aim.well i dont really care this game looks sick.

You do understand the whole accuracy thing…don’t you?
- Con

con please don’t delete this. i just want to say the game looks awesome i can’t wait till it comes out. so was this like a free demo of the game that can only be found here?

i am a right handed player and i think that spacebar is a little to far away for me to switch quickly to my other weapon, good job

In-game, be sure to call left handed controls southpaw

I’m so happy you released this. I have to say that I like how you make it a scrolling side by side game, and I don’t agree with those people who are saying it should have depth.

Oh, and I know you said don’t post glitches but my guy froze in place when trying to climb over the small box.

I also hope that your going to have the sledgehammer attack animation switch and not just one continuation of the same attack over and over again.

Ok, It feels ok, crouch and jump is good and i like the general atomosphere of the game… BUT… nah kidding good alpha…
Oh and some ideas etc

1) You said that you were unsure how the barricading (if any) would work… well you’ve actually shown that “Barricading” (with the boxes) and all you would have to do then would add a health bar (depends on object).

2) (I’m sorry) The guys legs seem to go slow but he’s at jogging-ish speed…(he’s crawling also seems fast-ish…)

3) There’s also an idea i’d like to post (you’ll probably kill me but…) if you found a certain small melee weapon (knives??) you could use an instant attack button (single quick stab attack)

P.S Alpha’s awesome.. GOOD LUCK!!

Smooth controls, nice system. I can’t find anything wrong with the controls, except bugs that you’ve probably spotted.

SUGGESTION(S):

Find Mr Jiggmin (Neverending Light). Ask him for help with lighting effects.

A quick melee like a gun butt or knife would be good too. Perhaps spacebar?

It is very good for an alpha. Nothing really to report. Keep up the Good work please

It’s awesome! Why not make him run like in modern warfare 2. When running you can’t shoot. But when aiming, you’re forced to slow down.

the game looks good but, wow that cross-hair is sick like wtf is it going to be so inaccurate i mean a auto rifle becomes inaccurate after the first 10 shots but not like THAT 2 think it;s big drawback …

Just a personal opinion here but I do not like/agree with the particularly large crosshair it seems to get in the way of the visuals, Q moves me backwards but i think thats been mentioned before i prefer Q and E to cycle weapons but space is easy to use and there maybe different set-ups, the animation when jumping is very nice.

When walking across boxes the animation does not take place however i know this will be fixed, when shooting near boxes i think the graphics needs to make it more obvious that you are shooting past the boxes and not through.

I love the bullet’s flying out of the gun it is a really nice addition and in all the alpha so far looks VERY encouraging, it is truly a blessing to be a part of the development stage as the general public, keep up the good work!

I must say it is very impressive. The controls and firing are very user-friendly. The game handles very nicely and I suspect it will be very good as the development walks along.

Hey, this game is much easier to play on a labtop now and I’m a fan of the toggle crouch.
I like the idea of a space bar jump, but could you make another wepon swap key instead of the numbers, not a fan of moving away from WASD, great alpha!

Great job, first off.

I really like the character movement when it comes to using the mouse for aiming, looking, etc. Feels accurate and not too fast/slow.

The character movement with the keys seems, a little too “glide-like” I think. Since you have different physical levels set up (Crouched, upright, jump) and the crouch in particular is done so well, the normal upright stance seems to need something. Perhaps a damage model on the character effects that…I don’t know if that is in your plans.

Great alpha! Keep up the great work! And thank you for taking user feedback!

First of all, I loved it. Very well done for the little time you’ve had to work on it *claps*. However, one thing I noticed is that when the zombies get in too close the melee weapon as well as the gun still does damage, which doesn’t look too great. It’d be cool if you had an animation of the hammer handle hitting his head and stopping or something like that. To solve this problem you should maybe add a super short-range melee weapon in addition to the sledge hammer like a switch blade or some other short bladed knife.

Yeah, zombie attack range / weapon firing origin stuff needs to be sorted out yet. Like I said, it’s early days and I know about every little problem with this alpha, please everyone stop with this nitpicky stuff.
- Con

I’m left handed and I just use the mouse with my right hand and WASD. It just kind of felt weird using the mouse with my left hand but for those few people that like it that way I’d suggest trying IJKL for movement and H for flashlight. It’s more towards the middle of the keyboard so you dont have to have it ridiculously far right to use WASD with your right hand and has easier reach than if you use arrow keys.

I like the control set up. very similar to the past two games (good thing for familar players) however, this being a new game, maybe new controls would help as well. perhaps a button to push back zombies or one to lob something at them (a grenade perhaps). srry if i didnt follow what you told us to comment on T.T please continue ur great work.

I liked the feel of the game, but I’m worried about the aiming. I think it was not needed. Just take the aim out completely! Also, I think you’re going to need more room. It’s just going to be a hack and shoot game. if the format stays this way, the feel and excitement of the game will not stay fresh for so long. Put some puzzles to switch out the format a bit. I am a Left handed person but i still use the keys with my right, and im fine! Its like a right handed player using the WASD keys with his left hand.
No worries, Im sure the game will come out great.

A bit off topic, but is the estimated release date still the first quarter of 2010?

Yep. You didn’t think it’d be done sooner, did you? We’re talking hundreds of rooms to build here…and story…and dialogue…etc
- Con

Hey Con,
the game’s off to a great start, but I have 2 changes:

the sledgehammer has to be clicked rapidly to use, and its really annoying. you should change it to just holding the button down

also, is it possible to give any weapons (the sledgehammer) knockback?

Melee weapons with a continual attack by holding a button is boring as bat shit. And yes, knockback will be in the game. Already answered that one 20 comments or so ago.
- Con

So, will you have this kind of room sometimes and then switch to having a base with depth like the previous last stand games? Or will you have this kind of gameplay always, because i think defending your base was the best aspect of the previous last stand games.

This isn’t all the game play, this is about 2% of what the game will be like. There will be no more visual depth than this, read my earlier comments as to why. Trust me when I say there will be zombies coming at you from all angles, it won’t be about running in a straight line shooting at head level the whole time.
- Con

Whoa. Even though its a early alpha, I found it was really fun. The “game play” was amazing, (for some reason I hade a really fun time with sledge hammer).

Hey con, great game so far! wondering if there will still sometimes be a map system of finding things? Also, are you going to make it so that you have to use your flashlight?

I believe the controls should only be constricted to your right hand, being ALL controls so there isnt any distraction from aiming on the mouse or in my case, touchpad

FOUND ANOTHER If you look directly below your self (right at 90*) your persons torso is upside down, and the legs are there, and ur head is gone.

Yeah I know.
- Con

Love the flashlight in my opinion the flashlight should be one cone with everyting else darker. Also I read the comments but you should be able to run.

well its pretty good so far however i don’t like the melee weapons you see im in the marines and i know form personal experience that when you hit some one in the face with a sledge hammer they usually fall down. however i like the animation for the M-4 carbine its pretty cool but i hope you don’t call it a n m-16 because those are semi and burst you might want to add a m-249 that’s my rifle its a fully automatic light machine gun. if your gonna add a 240- bravo remember they look ,like the 249 but they’re longer and it takes two people to operate it. it like the animation for the rounds and movement was great so was aiming but it felt like the rooms were to small for such a large character maybe making the characters smaller might solve that problem not to small but just right .

great game, hope it gets better as it progresses

Hey I was thinking maybe you could put like a zombie with a type of weapon or something like that….You should make it where if there is something in the way of your flashlight that it will block your light instead of the light right where your cursor is.

The controls are solid.
I noticed myself pressing the left_shift to sprint a couple times, but you have the rpg stats so im not sure if you just upgrade general speed. if so its nice to still be able to switch between walk/run.
keep “w” for jump it works
seeing as you only have two weapons at a time spacebar is perfect for switching. and “f” and “r” seem natural for there purposes.

You can read my review in the first comment. This is a suggestion. You could make it so if you hold shift you get “sights” which makes you slightly more accurate. And you have a meter of how long you can hold it and it recharges when you’re not using it.

Hey, the alpha seems great! The bugs have already been addressed in other comments so I’ll cut to the chase.

SUGGESTIONS:

-Due to lack of 3D depth, zombies are forced to line up neatly to be slaughtered. This can be fixed by allowing them to hide behind objects and be hidden by complete darkness, forcing your character to have a realistic line-of-sight. Flashlights can’t shine light through objects.

-Zombies should also sometimes jump out from windows, fall from the ceiling, climb out of the ground, or pop out of crates, so as keep the player from being able to mow down a crowd of zombies seconds after entering a room.

-Rooms should be a little bit darker, because even without the flashlight you can easily see where all the zombies are and still remain hidden to them.

-Some zombies should be able to jump or lunge at you.

-When turning around to aim at something behind him, the character faces the opposite direction instantly. There should be a split-second animation to at least show the character spinning around. Lets face it, in real life you cant spin around instantly, let alone even know that a zombie is behind you.

-You could also have safe and unsafe sleeping areas. Safe areas are fine, whereas unsafe areas have the risk of zombie attacks in the middle of the night. (I stole this idea from  above)

-Crouching should allow you to remain more stealthy, and enable you to sneak around with reduced detection from zombies.

-Destructible environment? If not, then maybe sometimes you could find a hole in the roof you can climb out of to get on to the rooftop?

-Keep up the excellent work!

Almost all planned. Suggestion, don’t bother suggesting on an alpha when suggestions weren’t being sought.
- Con

you should change level of light at night because i found that i could see the zombies without the flashlight. but other than that (and a few bugs here and there) the game is fantastic so far

Most of the movement feels pretty good, the jump maybe could be a little higher. I’m guessing the zombies weren’t supposed to come after you immediately. The controls and aiming felt fine. I also think that the zombies should be a little harder to kill when they are shot in the body.

Atmosphere feels great. Animation is also far superior then previous 2 games. Race changes are great, alowing for custom ability.
Sounds are also nice (gun), I supose with music and zombie sounds, etc. that the atmosphere will be very nice later on. The only control issue I faced, which is minor, is when I try to jump. I naturally press space by habit from other games instead of pressing up. Custom control shemes could easily fix that. Overall the feel is right and I like it.

i love the Flashlight and the movement is really good i think the jumping is nice to just jump over em and keep shooting ^^ so all i want to say is: GOODJOB! keep up the good work ^^

Okay, so this is my personal opinion, great work so far but the cross-aim is a bit too wide in the initial stage, (THIS IS BECAUSE IT’S SET TO ZERO SKILL WITH THE CURRENT WEAPON. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TYPE THIS. GEEEEZ - Con) I would recommend creating two or three different cross-aims and allowing people to choose which one they want to use. (I would recommend you read the release notes. - Con)

The main problem I have with this is that I enjoy sniping zombies and this makes head shots harder. Implementing different cross-aims for each weapon might also be interesting…

I personally don’t like the jump. It looks funky and too short, a higher jump animation feels necessary.

I noticed that the weapon changes back to the rifle every time you enter the room.

I love the damage on objects done by bullets and if you could implement a destruction by friendly fire…that would be awesome…also some boxes might have health/ammo, thus forcing you to take a decision do you want a barricade or some quick health…

also I noticed that sometimes if there are two zombies next to each other one will not move towards you while the other does… hmm…

Finally, maybe a option to move slower/ be silent might be interesting…stealth zombie killer….

anyhow, I hope I didn’t repeat myself too much and I wish you all the best of luck.

I enjoyed and I am looking forward to the real thing. There are some obvious bugs that need fixing, but you know that. As for the melee flashlight thing, just have the player have to increase strength, and at say 5 skill points sunk into strength, you can hold a flashlight and a melee but until then no flashlight for meleeing

Wait? You know Daniel Sun?The guy who created armed with wings?

Who me? No.
- Con

From what I can see from this Alpha, it’s gonna be amazing.

I love the fact that it’s going to end up kind of like a 2D Left 4 Dead (without the Multiplayer).

My excitement aside, the technical aspects look good, solid.

Apart from small bugs like zombies spawning on you and sometimes on eachother (I know it’s early model so won’t get too angry over that)

Two things I have to ask though,

With the climb, you can climb the small box in the same amount of time it takes to climb the big box, will this change?

Also with the character changing when you enter a new room, is this a bug or just a feature to show it off?

Regardless, have high hopes for this, and I can see you’ll pull it off great.

Character changing is just randomising between rooms to show it off, yeah. It’s only one gender, 3 sets of pants, 4 tops and a handful of skin colours. Going to be a fair amount of customisation as far as looks go with hair and facial hair / features etc.
- Con

yes onehundredandninest

hey con,

in the last stand 1&2 you were able to enter a amount of hours you could fix your barricade and search for weapons and survivors
I was thinking if you were searching for weapons you had to leave 1 weapon behind in the safe house (dont know if there is 1)because you only have 2 slots were you can put weapons in. by that comes that you can come in danger much quiker with 1 weapon.and people will not search for weapons that fast aneymore.

Mauro
PS: great that you realeased a alpha very cool

i think left handers prefer to play with arrows. and there is a few glitches in the alpha but im sure you know about them. but the left handers i know prefers arrows and swithing with r shift. oh and btw YOUR GAMES IS WICKEEED! in a good way

What I DO want you guys to concentrate on in your comments is how it feels to you. Do you like the aiming / movement system? Does the key setup work for you?

Well i think the aiming system is quite good, can’t think of any complaints. The key set-up at the moment seems to work, what i mean is my thought might change when im frantically trying to kill zombies in the final game..

amzing loveing the controls there cant wait for the next alpha

oh and also make the “heavy weapons” really hard to get i dont think it would be fun if you just ran through the game with a mini gun mowing everything and everyone. also you might be able to do this but maybe have like a store in a building that other survivers bult ive never made a game and i dont know if that would work but maybe.

sorry im writing again so soon but i really like the flash light thing but would you maybe make it a little bigger?

your game is going to be great cuz this alpha is blowing my mind but one thing is that with the hand wepons would you be changing the sights because it was really hard to tell the difference it caused when i aimed for different parts i noticed how well it worked for the gun tho. also if your using the arrow keys and dont want to use r y not the control button or the 0 button?

The Movement System is great, and so is the Aiming System but, shouldn’t have sights as the Assault Rifle the character was holding.

Some of this might be “Duh?” but here it goes.

Positive = Graphics, even though its early in development, seem good.

Negative = The zombies seem…easy. Takes like 3-4 bullets no problem to kill one zombie…

Positive = Im liking the looks of the possibilities of character customization

Negative = With the melee weapon, it seemed very basic, and the character was swinging it around like a the bat was made feathers, unrealistic. And since when does it take more than 1 hit to kill someone with a sledgehammer to the head?

Positive = Zombies look good, blood seems good

Negative = When you enter a room there seems to be some shooting lag, as in, your holding down the left click button on your mouse and its still only shooting 2 bullets every couple seconds, and it takes a few seconds for it to be normal again.

Negative = Crouching…does nothing? It seems to not benefit your accuracy at all, and it should. This might just be because its early development, but crouching should defiantly effect accuracy and you should not have the same accuracy running around as you have standing still.

Negative = Sorry another negative in a row, but when using the flash light even when its not pointing at the zombies I can still seem them fine, so make the background darker if your going into places that are meant to be “Use the flash light or your screwed” areas. The flash light does not seem very realistic, you should not have to look directly at the zombies to see them lit up, I think you should do it so that if you look in a direction you have the full line of sight, instead of having to point directly at the zombies…because that is just going to be a pain in the real game otherwise.

It has a lot of potential Con I must say, I can sort of visualise what the actual game MIGHT be like, but things like the flash light, melee weapon (sledgehammer) I can already see not working , even if you develop on them.

With the sledgehammer…its very heavy! So really your character should have some kind of trouble to pick it up and smash it down, instead of being able to swing it around like one of those wiffle ball bats, and of course, than 1 hit would easily kill someone in real life with a blow to the head. As for the flash light problem, as I explained I think you should do it as a line of sight sort of thing, shine it in a certain ISOLATED direction and it should light up everything in sight of the narrow flash light.

The movement in the game seems good, but when your walking backwards it looks like your doing the Michael Jackson moonwalk, look for your self if you don’t believe me

The pace of the character is fine, its normal, you have equipment on your back and carrying a big gun (which is heavy!) so the movement speed is realistic.

As for the button layout, this would be fine…

R = Reload
D = Walk right
A = Walk left
C = Crouch (press again to stand)
Space = Jump
F = Flash light
Number keys for switching weapons

I used to be a PC gamer and I played a lot of shooters so that set-up seems natural to me. Maybe on the settings of the game you could have pre-sets for controls but you could customize them if you wanted? Just a thought.

You’re right Ash, it’s mostly duh ;). Crouch does affect accuracy, watch the crosshair. Sledge animation doesn’t feel heavy because that animation needs to work with all blunt objects, that said it may change from being two handed. Need some way to work using a flashlight in with it. Line of sight flashlight would require some serious processor crunching and isn’t something that’s entirely necessary in a 2D Flash game, so no. Flash light is going to change though, it’ll be coming away from being tied to the cursor.
- Con

that was a nice taste of what is in store for us.
overall the feel was good..except the small bugs..its looking good though.

love it! love how u can hold items on ur back and the control system, i don’t like the fact that the flashlight works when all u haze is the hammer

The alpha overall is great but, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Night time is not dark enough. Although I have to disagree with Ralph’s statement about running. Walking will play better with this game than running.

Ralph-(http://www.conartistgames.com/index.php/the-last-stand-union-city-early-alpha/#comment-5029)

Yes the keys are all in very comfortable places no reaching far to press buttons. The aiming and movement work very well together. I will be interested what the full game will be like, and best of luck to you.

And other than that, the feedback. I can’t really find any problems in this! The key setup is excellent for a Last Stand veteran, I think. Is there going to be a tutorial of sorts like Vault 101 had at the beginning?

I’m going to put the comments hopefully back on track.

The controls are an easy pick up and play fantastic job

The aiming is great for me anyway, I like how you don’t have 100% accuracy unlike in some COD games

The movement is fine

all in all this is shaping up to be another legend of an online game…no suprise

Hellooo… I just played the game and I am wondering will the legs of the character be adjusted, because it almost looks like hes only raising his/her foot a few inches off of the ground. I also want to know will you add a run/sprint option?

Thanks,
Exeara

Well, i was walking left with both a and q.

Hey conartist nice early design… I will cry to myself knowing that my flash games won’t even be as good as this Early design. Okay here’s my suggestion, i’m sure you’ve already thought of this but it would be a shame if you forgot to put it in.

Make it you can shoot at the dead zombie bodys and Blood comes out… none of your games have included this!! And i ( for some reason ) really enjoy wasting all my bullets on one dead zombie… it’s more dramactic.

And if you wanted to take my suggestion to the max then you could make it bits come out of the zombie… maybe you could shoot his hand out of rip pieces of it’s chest with your shotgun or something… Also i like it how you want all this feedback and you say it won’t be possible without that… PLEASE SAY THAT IN THE CREDITS!!

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And you really need a sprint system!

Wow. Looks Awesome! How long have you been working on this so far? It looks like it’s come a long way. Weapons and character models look good, flashlight is a cool effect, and the gun works well. Only real problem is the somewhat weak sledgehammer, but that’s probably intentional. Other kinks I can’t notice I’m sure you’ll work out.

It’s about 2 weeks work for the stuff you can see. I’ve been programming and planning about a month or so though, so there’s a bunch of systems that’ve been written but not implemented yet.
- Con

Very nice love the setup makes it very easy to play. Can’t wait to see the flashlight feature. The setup is perfect since I like to play with the arrow keys. I like the aim setup as well, can’t wait for the finished project.

I know its just alpha but still its very strange to imagine a single paper box can stop a bullet…

They’re full of kevlar.
- Con

Hey, I read your comment on the lefty controls. I, personally, as a lefty, think that the keyboard/mouse setup of a standard computer is more fitting to my kind, as I prefer my dominant hand in control of the keyboard controls. However, I’d like the reload key set to Caps Lock because it requires a slow, conscious decision to take a finger of the left hand off a movement key and hit R. This takes precious time. However, if Caps Lock was used instead of R, I can simply devote the pinky finger to it instead, and reloading would be much quicker.

Thanks,
Ethan

Oh yeah! Another thing. Forgot. My bad. How about C and V to switch weapons? That way doing so is less of a distraction, as one can simply use the thumb instead of another, busier finger.

Keep up the good work!
The only thing that I feel uncomfortable with is that I think people may try spamming jump. Similar to Halo, I think people may try to continuously jump back to prevent being hit. How Call of Duty solved this was a jump “cool down” where after trying to jump more than twice you go an inch off the floor until three seconds later in which you “catch your breath”. A possible route for you to consider is depending on the weapon or amount of equipment you are carrying, the slower or faster you are while walking. Once again, astounding work!

There’ll be a stamina penalty associated with jumping. Even then, it won’t stop zombies from hitting / grabbing at you.
- Con

You should make it so that when you lay the weapon against a surface it becomes more accurate.

For example when you kneel you get an accuracy boost, but if you kneel against the boxes you lay the weapon on them, which should increase the accuracy.

Nup. There’s levels of complexity in a Flash game that should be there, this’d be a waste of development time that I’d then have to explain in some way to the player…then only a handful of people would get it.
- Con

the game looks incredible cone but i do have some quick questions… don’t worry no bug talk…
1) since there are 60 days in the storyline how long will a day last …
2) is it possible to save a characters progress without having to autosave ( im not sure if you have already elaborated on this sorry)
3) when i am finished with the game and i want to start again… can i use my previous character so that i don’t have to gain all those stats again but still be able to play through the story

If you can answer any of these questions con it would be most obliged … and thank you so much the ALPHA looks great

1) Not sure yet. Won’t be real time.
2) Maybe. Probably not, don’t want people saving mid fight.
3) Probably not, it’ll ruin the balance of everything.
- Con

im a lefty and i prefer the arrow keys for movement and “r” for reloading and “spacebar” for switching weapons and the game feel great keep up the work

If you have 2 guns then run out of bullets will you be able to drop them and use your fist? or are you required to always have a melee weapon?

You’ll pick up a melee weapon right at the beginning of the game.
- Con

Oh right a presequel… i’m such a noob.

Controls are feeling good.

I found a glitch that I’m not sure has been mentioned or not but I just wanted to inform you guys in case it hasn’t been realized. If it has then kindly ignore or delete this comment.

When you go up to the pile of boxes in the second room and press “E” key, you will appear above the boxes.

Fantastic looking game with some pretty decent controls just got wondering about a couple of things that have to my attention:
1. Are the hairlines going to be that visible? ,It just stands out heavily against what is a pretty bland environment (so maybe a bit of a different colour or dulled a bit would fit in) not that it matters much.
2. Is there going to be a darker mode?, It just seems that the flashlight isn’t quite that useful at the moment
Thanks for your time -Rhys

1. Yes. And yeah, that’s pretty minor. The environment is a totally empty room, do you think that any room will look remotely like that?
2. Yes. A lot of people have mentioned that the lighting in the alpha’s “night” mode is too light.
- Con

I like the controls, I myself am a fan of the toggle crouch.

The rooms look great and your artwork overall is as good as ever. Even in the Alpha the game is good. I’ve played betas that aren’t this good, so props.

I am reserving my judgement on the melee weapon until you finish it.

I would like to see guns have collisions with the environment. That would solve standing with your gun inside a box shooting the visible face problem.
It might also be cool to have a few cramped levels/rooms where you can’t maneuver as well with some of the heavier(bigger) guns.

I am looking forward to playing this game already, full steam ahead Con!

con i have a question, will you still be able to add addons, like add a grenade launcher to the M4 so that you can press a butten and it fires and if your close enough, youll be affected 2? any1 good job on the ALPHA i really enjoyed it

Interesting fact, most 40mm grenades that come from “grenade launchers” have an internal velocity switch which doesn’t activate until the grenade has travelled at least 12 metres.
- Con

I have a few questions
1) is the whole game going to be like that i mean do u have to keep exploring or are there times you have to stay in a fort like the other 2 last stands ?
2) will there be survivors that help you on your quest or whatever ?
3) Are there going to be more interesting features once the game is finished ?

Please Answer BIG FAN!!!!!

No the game will be two rooms and will be boring. Of course there’s more to it.
- Con

I like the controls there not laggy or to jerky and we should either get to make a charecter or have a selection of pre made charecters to choose from. I like the fact that were not behind a wall anymore. You should the originial charecter come back in the game. I hope that you will include a decent storyline when the game comes out. Other than that I love the graphics and everything else i cant wait for this game to come out.

wow thats pretty much perfect if you can improve on anything awsome and mabey for left handers arrow keys to move not what thell use to shoot tho

hey con thanks alot, glad to actually help u in developing ur game
i do like ur new set up of being able to move around. movement is simple, clean and efficient. crouching and moving is also very good
heres some things that caught my eye
1. jumping- the movement looks kinda weird, but acceptable. wat i wish is for the jumping to be slower. like ive played many games where ppl shoot and jump at the same time to avoid bullets, meele weapons, and in ur case zombies. i wish that this game wont be like those in that its down to earth killing zombies. i mean in real life ppl arent goign to be jumping around while shooting a shotgun or weilding a chainsaw. so one way to fix is to either make it so that jumping is slower and zombies will actually damage u more if u jump. another way to fix this is to make it so u jump only if ur oging to be climbing over things.
2. sprinting. i think this will be a great addition to ur game in that if u hav enough stamina, u can “run” though a zombie crowd
3. cross hair: i do like the way that crouching increases accuracy while standing doesnt. wat was kinda weird was of the infinite expansion of the cross hair. i mean i understand weapons tend to become more inaccurate after firing over time but i just think there should be limit. like this could be a problem if u have a machine gun and u run thorugh a crowd wit bullets spraying the ceiling instead the zombies in front of u
4. the key Q. i was playing ur beta and accidentally pressed Q and found myself moving backwards, dont know if u put this in intentionally, but just thought u should know. also when holding Q, and pressing S to crouch, character seems to slide on the ground
5. flashlight: nice edition, love it. one question is that why is there a slight halo of light around the character when flashlight is turned on? that was the only part that i found akward with flashlight

overall i think u did a GREAT job keep up the hard work wish to hear ur answers/ comments to my remarks, best of luck

i have a question bout the clothing types. does your speed depend on what clothes your wearing? what i mean is,if all your wearing is a t-shirt and sweatpants,will you go fasterthan you would in a winter cought and baggy jeans? (this was only an example, i dont know if those clothing items will be in the game) please wright back=)

I liked the game alpha everything looked very good and the light was OK I think I agree with the light beam thing, BUT moving on to what you asked for….
I liked the controls space will make for easy toggle between weapons, but I didnt like the fact that when you crouch you stay crouched, it will make it much harder when youre stuck with a bunch of zombies YOU CAN escape but it will take a while to press “w” or else youre doomed

thanks for the alpha, and it was a pleasure to work with my fav game artist

I had some questions concerning the flashlight first of all whenever i use the flashlight on the gun and switch my weapon the light is still on and it stays in place which is weird while im using the sledge hammer and sorry if you already had a question concerning this and I read a comment about having a flashlight somewhere else besides your gun and you could probably put in on the head for example those flashlights built in those head strap thingies or helmets

Alphas great i can really picture the game in my head

I know there’s a lot of comments people, but do I have to sit here and read the same questions 100 times over?
- Con

Will the flash light run on battery? and if so will it automatically recharge or will you have to collect batteries?

I played the Alpha and the controls work fantastic to me, but it becomes difficult to kill a zombie when they are up against you, range or melee. The way you made this so far has me thinking about a warfare where you are a soldier or officer in the crossfire. Let me know if that sounds interesting as the next game you make. I could help on ideas, but not much anything else.

The problem with accuracy in a 2d shooter is that if you aim far away from yourself, yet the target is say half way between you and your crosshair, by the time the bullet hits the target (zombie in this case) he has a 200% more chance to hit where he is aiming. Too bad theres no solution to this problem.

The crosshair is an estimation of the accuracy at the end of the screen. Each shot is fairly straight at it’s origin. But yeah, 2D shooters do have this problem, the only real way to fix it is to add a “miss” type scenario where shots that should have registered ignore the target based on a dice roll based on the player’s skill and the weapon’s base accuracy.

Problem with that is that it can end up feeling cheap. “Argh I hit him!” kind of thing.
- Con

I know this is totally off topic, but it’s been a while since your last update and i’ve had no way to contact you. So here’s something. You said that their will be survior NPC’s. So if you need more idea’s for surviors why not update something asking for skills that people have or something? That way you’ll have 100’s of personalitys for characters. Me as a character… i would be great in Survial, Fitness, Speech, Blades and Long Guns but i would fail in Blunt Weapons, and pretty much everything else but searching.

I might just do that Danny.
- Con

The controls are very smooth the aming system is very good but what is the point of crouching lol… Don’t spawn zombies right next to the door when you enter em that might make a few player’s angry in the actual game but all in all actually rather fun even for a beta game Cant wait for the actual game!

Crouching increases accuracy, watch your crosshairs change.
- Con

i’d say you’ve got it right. combat and movement feel very smooth and natural. look forward to the game.

Will this be like deadrising in that some survivors are selfish/deranged and will try to kill you?

oh wait not an faq sorry but had to ask

id just thought id really mention this, i know you want feedback on nothing but the controls and stuff…. but
You sated in one of the above comments, that zombies wont be directly in front of you, in front of your headline,

in that case i have an idea you could maybe implement into the game..
, zombies breaking through floorboards under you when your in buildings, and maybe coming out of sewers drains wehn your on the road
, and if you like stand over a hole for too long, a zombie grabs you, and you have to try fight him off or your mates can try and help….

works very smoothly! however crouching seems kinda pointless.

The controls work well for me as i’m right handed and as others have said you might want to add arrows in for leftys.
The aiming system looks good like in the rest.
Also the movement system is alright but you’ll have to find a solution to the problem most platform shooters have with the flying feet (when the characters foot is over the edge but the character hasnt fallen yet) that’s why you’ll have 2 be careful with jumping and boxs. apart from that great job and i look forward to the completed game.

WOW it is great for a first copy. it is great. how much money do u get when i click an ad? just wondering and if i press it like 50 times will u make even more money?

There is a Sound Delay for the M4 and when the flashlight is on and you switch to the hammer the flashlight from the M4 stays in the same place as it was b4 moving.

Those are the only 2 I saw, doesn’t mean there aren’t any more bugs.

GL w/ this massive game, can’t w8 to play it.

Sound delay for the M4? What FPS are you getting?
- Con

Hey Con awesome demo, i think the hammer is a little weak. Also when you fire and keep fireing the crosshair becomes incredibly huge. Cant wait till the game is out! Hope you consider my concerns.
Try to e-mail me but i understand if you cant

Its fine
I like it alot
But like will he be bale to go outside and have like more of a back round/layout thanjust small rooms?

Yeah…It needs work. First, the aiming system. It is indeed extremely clunky and unrealistic. Second, this guy supposedly has 10% skill level but can jumped really high and moves really fast for carrying a sledgehammer and a M4. Third, firing. No actual kickback. Depressing.
Good overall game though with a lot of potential.


No shit. It’s two weeks into a 4-6 month development. “Kickback” or recoil as it’s actually known has been added. How about commenting on what’s there and not on what’s missing.
- Con

Jason, I’m assuming that the crosshairs get bigger because accuracy goes down as you continue to fire without pause. correct, con? the crosshairs themselves are slightly vague and hard to keep track of though.

One of the things I always loved about the first 2 Last Stand games was their simply pick-up-and-play gameplay, and I got the same thing here. Nice, simplistic movement, point and click firing and satisfying gunplay. I’m a LITTLE concerned about the single-path movement, in terms of avoiding zombies when I don’t want to fight, but I understand the reasons for the choice and I’m not gonna knock it. Overall, it looks good and I look forward to seeign the next test!

(Oh, will there be other survivors you can recruit like in the previous 2 games?)

Great production. I like how this is coming into place and all but for the picky gamers when wielding melee where is the flashlight coming from

Your butt.
- Con

noone said this so far so i thought it might be important. when you reset the level or sometimes when you re-enter a room the camera is off center and you are leftt with a “blank” screen. all u see is the room and the zombs no character. apart from that all is great.

at what point did u decide to go away from the former gamplay/world representation into a 2d scroller? i have to say i preferred the old world with depth etc. but interesting to see how this works out in the nd.

Think that Reset button will be in the final game?

I decided to change this at the point when I realised that the artwork involved in a game of this scale done in a fake isometric fashion would take me 5 years to do. Also, this 2D setup allows for different gameplay features such as the 360 degree aiming.
- Con

Hi Con.

This is a little offtopic, but as I read your recent answers, I came up with a suggestion: how about a maximum range for the flashlight?

Since you said that there will be lots of different rooms “in all shapes and sizes”, and considering that the streets would also be larger, it would be very interesting to limit the vision and the crosshair range in the dark, making night raids harder.

Such feature combined with a “darker” night will surely make your game creepier!

Best regards and good work!

Will bulletholes be reduced? I shoted many of em to the wall and my FPS dropped to 15.

This alpha is amazing. Sure there are a few technical bugs here and there, but I can easily see myself wasting weeks on end just playing this game when it comes out. I like the idea to climb up stuff, and the controls feel very smooth and fluid. I know it is just an alpha, but maybe you should have instead of a instant crouch, you person goes through the motions. Like dropping to one knee and lifting the gun up to the eye, and if you are running then he will stop, and you know just to make it look a little more realistic. But then again we are killing zombies in a fictional city as a made up person on the internet. I guess realism wouldn’t really matter after all. I love the flashlight. I like the sledge hammer, but if you are going to make it two hits then have the first one stun them for a just a second maybe, but hey you are the architect of this world. I bow to your infinitley greater knowledge. Keep up the good work Con, and I can’t wait for this game to be released! =)

The gameplay is really good. everything is smooth. the only thing i have a problem with is the tightness of your cross hairs. the gun is extremely innacurate. Can you make them tighter.

You can! By playing through the game and levelling your character.
- Con

Really good so far. Can’t wait until the final release. Also, the melee system could use a charge up attack.

Lol I got stuck in the door. I was holding the trigger and accidentally walked into the door and it loaded me in the next room and I could not walk. I hit reset and the game camera goes where you spawn at but the character was still stuck in the door.

I was just wondering is the shotgun gonna be hella cheap like in other games where it takes up the whole room. If so i recommend making it weaker so that one shot from real close its an insta kill but from far away it wont and for melee weapons could you plz add a scythe and brass knuckles thnx

haha ;P yea…oh wat the reset button is not gonna be part of the game??:D dang!

oh yea now i catch ur drift about the change of game styles. you did like that idea of customizing ur character a lot didnt ya. gd stuff. well cant wait to play the finished thing. sure its gonna be awesome.

thanks a lot for all your previous games. very entertaining.

Will there be weapon conditions? like the more you use a weapon the more beat up and broken it gets over time?

No, because weapon degredation is the most annoying game feature of all time. But, you will find weapons in certain levels of good and bad condition. They will stay that way. Most weapons you find will be fine to use though.
- Con

Really good job. The controls handled well. Real bang up job so far. I know its no where near ready but the sledge hammer felt…weird to me. I didn’t like using it. It wasn’t the controls or anything it just didn’t feel right getting THAT close to a zombie.

I found a site where you can solve the right clicking in a flash game

http://www.uza.lt/blog/2007/08/solved-right-click-in-as3/

Hope this helps

Yeah, the javascript solution has been around for a long time. Problem is it needs to be inserted into the page that is holding the Flash file, which on every other site besides Armor Games is not an option. Hopefully Adobe wise up eventually and give us back our right click!
- Con

wow! Game is very nice and great but if you use a melee weapons can you make tjat the zombies smash to the ground or the head go like boom but not big boom

ok 1 thing…… i love the fact u can tebag the zombies now

werd brah
- Conz0rs

The controls feel alright to me. I didn’t notice any accuracy change between standing up and crouching. I liked the idea of a zombie sense, and them not noticing you right when you walk in. I noticed that all the zombies become aware of you when you fire your first shot, so maybe you should consider adding silenced weapons that reduce muzzle flash and sound, alering less zombies. Keep in mind silencers reduce damage and recoil.
Hope this helps!

I mentioned this earlier about control schemes. I think you should put a customizing option in the game so everyone can be happy. You know like where you press a button and that button performs a certain action. Just a thought on how to accomodate every lefty and picky person.

hey man stoked for this game,i dont think ill be needin to leave any suggestions cause i know your gunna make this game dope as hell.
sighned: a big fan of last stand

Is there any plans or ideas related to using a gun as a melee weapon? Or would that more likely than not fit into the category of adding bayonets and such? Would that just over complicate the whole, one gun one melee situation?

Little suggestion for me :D. Can you put windows? Then zombies can suddenly pop out and attack the survivor.

the crosschair a bit to large…

Wow, This game does stray from the usual ‘Defend-the-base’ genre but fun nonetheless.
The flashlight is a great feature and how the zombies react at how the light is shun and your actions making you think on your toes as well as making everystep count.
The movement system is constant among most games but it still impressive as it plays through a ‘Fluid’ motion and works very well in your game in the making.
9/10 despite the fact that this is just in the process of testing

Suggestion:
-Left handed controls:
I - Stand / Jump
J,L - Left / Right
K - Crouch

H - Flashlight
Space - Switch Weapons
Mouse - Aim

-Having the aiming cursors change depending on your weapon’s ‘Sight’ varying from basic Iron sight to scopes, But of course some weapons won’t have so said ’sights’, such weapons could be melee weapons and differant explosives like grenades. This is up to you since this might create severe to near non lagg also it would collides with the ‘Cursor=Accuracy’ idea but heck an idea is an idea

Questions:
Will there be some sort of ‘Base’ for your charecter to use as a home sweet home?

~Last Stand Series Fan

AHA! i FINALLY figured out what was bugging me about the hammer….no sound, it need to be like WHOOSH, BAM * Skull cracking/brains smashing sound*
And im serious, those were just onomotapias. I think thats whats kinda buggin some people about the hammer

If there was anything about the feel of the game that was awkward, it would be…:

1. the jumping action. i’m not exactly sure how to put it but, it seemed really out of place. maybe it’s because it looked very rigid since you’re still aiming your gun as you jump. maybe it’d look a bit more fluid if there was some kind of landing animation/effect. an alternative to jumping would be having an “action” key used to climb objects with, rather than being able to freely jump around. [[ not the best idea to do ;/ ]]

2. the crouch toggle [[already addressed]]

3. the accuracy of the gun as you jumped and landed. as soon as you landed your accuracy recovered. i’d assume that as you land that would be where you’d be worst at aiming. i suggest that the moment you land the player shouldn’t be able to shoot, or you force the aiming reticle askew so the player would manually have to re-adjust it to simulate the force of the land.

Really like the style and gameplay but two questions (if already asked sorry) one is there any possiblity for a multiplayer mode? and two are you going to let it be and open world style game or no? But great job so far really like it!

They have been asked. Read my FAQ and read the original release notes.
- Con

Well, that’s not what I’m saying in my previous post. It isn’t how the rooms are set up, etc. It’s just the fact that you took out depth, and from your previous replies, it seems this is your intention for the final product.

I understand that it’s the most feasible way to get the game drawn, but I also have to say in all honesty, that unless you turn the game into a platformer (which I think corny for this kind of game), it has the possibility of making the gameplay linear.

That said, even simple concepts can be mostly masked with very slick aesthetics and a good interface. LS1 and 2 were exactly that concept.

i think one stream would be better for the flashlight. Not two beams.

Just in the alpha stage this project seems to be shaping up really well. There are only a few things that concern though. From the outright, I was concerned about the sudden loss of mobility on a vertical plane, something I enjoyed in the two previous incarnations (even when I didn’t use it, I enjoyed just having the option), and as such I like the unnecessary but still optional use of jumping and kneeling. While accuracy and movement seem good ideas for stats, jumping seems out of place and doesn’t seem to make much of any differance in the alpha (this after all being a shooter, not a platformer). Kneeling seems to need some refinement of use. What if kneeling or standing still improved accuracy slightly? And the movement while kneeling is awkward and immersion-breaking forwards or backwards (What if he crawled while kneeling and moving? You could even use air ducts, sewers, or crawl under a car or low hanging garage door…). My only other real complaint was the appearance of the Survivalist. I know its an alpha and you’re just showing us the basics of the character editor, but seeing the different versions of the Survivalist felt less like avatar character optimization and more like palette-swapping from an 80’s side-scrolling beat ‘em up. All the characters are identical with slightly off Asian, African, Caucasian, Celtic, and Nordic skin tones wearing different colored jeans, t-shirt, and belt buckle with the same frat boy buzzcut and 5 o’clock shadow (why do the undead horde have more personality then the living?). All the availible options are well made and might look like one I’d create (minus the hair), but it isn’t the customization advertized.

The flashlight is a nice touch, but I don’t feel the idea is being implemented properly. It seems strange that the light on the cursor doesn’t illuminate things in the plane of view, and the darkness is such that you can see the zombies even at night with the lights off. Perhaps if the darkness was stepped up, especially from a distance, and the availible flashlight draw distance was limited to a small conal area in front of you rather then where ever you point it on screen (i.e.: then include ambient enviromental lighting such as flickering yellow streetlights, swirling red emergency emergency exit lights, and blaring white/black/gray television static). Consider different equipable flashlights or light sources (vision strength vs. encumbrance penalty) or zombies that can register your flashlight light and attack you. The mere limitation of sight will keep up player tension, even if he has a strides through with a heavy weapons loadout.

Finally (forgive me if I’m being verbose and overly nitpicky for a flash game), I don’t like the feel of the melee weapon. It kinda breaks the immersion factor if the Survivalist whips out a sledgehammer, or a machete, or a crowbar and autotomically hammers away at an enemy with the consistency of strength and precision of motion of an assembly line robot. The power of the hit comes from the strength of stance and excess of power put into the effort of swing a heavy sap or cutting tool. The power, length of swing, and recovery of balance could even factor into the strategy of picking a loadout similar to the one for choosing firearms in the games prior (i.e.: sledgehammer does more damage then the crowbar, but requires more followthrough and recovery time to use).

Regardless of all this, I’m confident about the final quality of the product. Its good to see a talented gaming company building on rather then depending on a successful formula when so many are content to milk what was once good till the milk has long since soured. I hope this was helpful and I look forward to seeing this series progress.

Survivor appearance is one shirt, one set of pants, one hair style and one facial hair style. You think I’ll leave it at that when I’ve promised customisation? Heck no. It’ll be far more in depth and close to the zombie’s level of aesthetic difference (and even they are in early stages).

- Con

hey, i’m a brazilian guy and… man the conartist’s games are the best of armorgames.com, the web page how i pass hours plaing games… my english is not so good and i can write something wrong here but… i don’t care what the game will have our not i trust in how created the last stand and i just wanna see the greatfull work how it gonna be on the end… is just it ;D

At first look.

It looks great for being so early on.

1 suggestion.

Add a “secondary melee”
As in, hitting with butt of rifle, handle of sledge(or a “shove” with the end”.

But besides that.
It feels great.

RAge

I think you should have dextructable landscapes like it would be cool if the crates in the 2nd room could break so the zombies could get at you

o yeah one more thing! just wanna say thanks

dude awesome game your making no problems here the keys are all good and everything seems to work fine on my end

first good work
the melee weapon could use some work eg faster but its early days still
you could give some zombies special attacks
like pounce eg i would have to click adadad over until i get it off of me
so yeah good work keep it up con.

Kay, I think you’ve found about this already but while shooting (Holding left click) and moving cursor over the game’s broder then moving it back to the game screen it shoots automaticly so you don’t have to hold shooting button anymore. I admit that was pretty usless..

Well that felt good, except the thing that I’d like to see how the xombies “Shake” when they get shot.. Ye I did read the note…

It was fun to beat the crap out of zombies with that maul, still it’s missing something like when you hit those zombies you should feel something I didn’t feel anything I only saw guy swinging maul back and forth

I know it’s nowhere close to be done, so you’ll make em better i guess so you don’t have to call me retard or anything plz

Rating 10/10 … Jk I know you don’t like when people rate everything xD

Very good. I have to say I don’t love the movement I think he should be able to run.

The current state, its going great. But the aim system is pretty bad. It might be better off not having one at all. I also might suggest, add ons and different ammunition for weapons. Such as,
buck shot and a slug for a shot gun. Silencers, bayonet, scopes, hollow points and etc for the pistols, rifles, and machine guns. And so on.

Yep yep ep yep yep yep yep yep.
- Con

I would get rid of the crouch feature in favor of more 3-D gameplay.
Other than that, it looks good.
Looking forward to it.

Aarrrrrrrrrrraggghahahahasdhfsdflksdfjkals.
- Con

It seems like the basics are down. Weapon switching, movement, all that good stuff.
One thing I noticed was the duck button. It was a toggle, which is unusual. What is even more unusual, however, is after you duck with S, it isn’t S that toggles back to standing, it’s W.

My suggestion here is to either make the duck work like a block button in a fighting game, hold to duck, release to stand, or make S the toggle both ways. S to duck, and S to stand again. That’d serve to make things a bit less confusing.
Aiming seems to work for now. It seems like the redical is the same for all weapons, but I assume that’ll change in the final version, larger redical for less accurate weapons, smaller for more accurate, and maybe something different for melee.

Obviously, there were animation bugs, but I won’t mention them beyond saying that they exist, as per your request.

Things are looking great. Keep up and this could be the best of the series. I’m a little concerned about you switching gears from a defense game to an open world survival horror, which is fine, but given the rapid change that really destroyed sift heads 3, and partially hurt Sift heads 5 for me too. It may work for this series, but I just hope you don’t lose sight of what made the first two so good.

no offense but you are basiccly just copying dead frontier only difference is that game is alot less smoother and a bit 3d and online also i like the alpha it feels smooooooth when i play the controls are buttery flashlight i like is stealth gonna be in and i’d like to say i like the idea saying that will u be able to talk to survivors? and last question is there gonna be a system where u can go underground not depth but something like a sewer grate that you can touch like a door and it will take you down sorry if im being offensive because im thrilled about this game

no offense but you’re ignorant.
- Con

lol i was reading a comment and how is this anything like dead frontier?
who ever posted 322 is dumb ass!

great!
but the zombie is too weak…
you must make the strong one or a boss zombie

You must buy me christmas pudding.
- Con

This is great cant wait like the look and feel. it is a little box like and slow control wise but this is an alpha test. I’ve bate tested 3 online game, that u have to pay for and this is just as good or better.

GREAT WORK LOVE THE GAME ALREADY

if making this game will be such a big project, then maybe you should get help with it. I’m sure you know someone that can give you a hand with it.

Nope. Want something done right…
- Con

reading the recent things you commented on, it seems like answering the same questions is driving you towards insanity no offense intended

It sure is. I’ve personally read and moderated 5418 comments since I started this site.

I can understand that people don’t want to read through 200 comments to post what they want, but it seems like half of the people don’t actually read the post before commenting. Especially with the stuff I’ve been putting up lately, it needs people to pay attention and read about what they’re doing before they jump in and post stuff that I’ve specifcally asked them not to.
- Con

…do it yourself.

Will there be a run option, like the shift button?

Con, i loved the controls and movements! But why is the sights soo big and im not really understanding the point of the flash light like maybe if you shoot a light that room is really dark and the only way to see is the flashflight but you can see everything in a supposely dark room in the alpha…

Oh did I say you are brilliant? well you are

some ideas:

weapon switch animation

variation of melee attacks

weapon change speed, depending on the weapons weight, etc

sprinting

tackling
–attacking zombies on the ground after tackled (like with knife to the throat or something)

allow dismemberment? cos i think its unrealistic that zombies even die from being shot in the leg. zombies dont need blood (at least not to my knowledge), so they cant bleed out or anything and their limbs serve no purpose to keep them alive…

so make it so you can dismember them but they wont die until youve destroyed their head (brain)?

ppl were talking about flash lights, im thinking flashlight could be disabled on certain weapons (like the hammer) since its two handed

flashlight will alert zombies? seems unrealistic that you shine the flash light at the zombies yet they still roam around (until they turn your direction and actually see you)

with that addition, make it so you aim better when you have a flash light on in the dark and worse aim in the dark without (but with the pro of not alerting the zombies until you shoot)

some bugs (probably mentioned but o well):

when you jump on the box, ur feet freezes

you moon walk backwards facing forward

when you press and hold fire, your crosshair never stops widening, eventually making you shoot backwards even tho ur gun is pointed the other way

there also seems to be a distinct pattern with the bullet holes in the wall, it tends to form circles with the bullet holes getting smaller and smaller by radius

when you get a certain amount of bullet holes in the wall, u cant get anymore in

some ppl say the hammer underpowered, i disagree, theyre zombies it should take well over like 5 slams to the head before their brain is completely smashed is when they die… two hits to kill them? better than the gun tbh

first beta release, not much to expand on since theres no solid pic of the final outcome, so thats what i have to say for now

Hey! Read the notes there guy.
- Con

Hey Con, I’m a left hander and I feel right using the arrow keys for movement and the current settings for the rest of the controls are just fine, also I am really glad to see you making another The Last Stand Game.

Great work so far. Even for a beta version the art is pretty good. Good controls so it feels good. You said there will be zombie sensing, but will the zombies be able to recognize the flashlight being on and attack the player?

Overall the feel of controls are terrific. What role will the other survivors play? Will you still be able to give them guns and them help you killing other zombies or will they just search and rebuild stuff.

I am really liking the feel to this game. Its got a great feel and its a big improvident from the last stand 2. Good job keep the work up!

Hi! Great work!

The purpouse of crouching is stealth and dodging I guess, so IMO crouch should be a hold down button. It’s just more simple to play than a toggle button.

For me seems more natural to press “spacebar” for jumping and “Q” for switching weapons, so the character can jump while crouching (maybe could be helpful in some points of the game) but it’s a personal matter.

Anyway, if you are so worried about key setup, you should enable key configuration in the final release.

Gameplay seems funny!

Knowing this is an alpha, I won’t be too critical on the linear aspects of the combat–knowing that without them being able to attack you, little should be exploited as far as predictability. However, I would suggest that certain things go into the development of the game that would heed one’s ability to utilize the aiming system–that is, to look up to take out enemies leaping from above: possibly zombie-birds or monstrosities of the air. Also, (though clips and ammunition levels weren’t utilized or displayed) the M16 seemed to deplete of ammunition (bullets) quite quickly, which (if the weapon is represented accurately here) would almost always lead to an assured death with the constant reloading taking place. The jumping seemed a bit unrealistic when traveling far distances laterally, as though it slowed down and the motion wasn’t represented accurately; otherwise, the mostly-vertical jumping was fine–quite fluent, even. I noticed some boxes were stacked in vertical columns, which were indestructible–and blocked off paths of movement of both the character and the zombies. My question is, why were they in the Alpha? Wouldn’t it make more sense if you could destroy them, possibly the first box in the column–creating cover for yourself? Or are those boxes going to be sort of indestructible walls in the game? If that’s so, wouldn’t that make it weird not being able to have destructible items to destroy and loot? As for the flash light, I think it should definitely attract the attention of all nearby zombies, making it a danger to use without caution.

I loved it. I’m getting excited for the full version. The aiming was fine and the controls worked well for what the game is.

i just played it and it is best can you please consider putting destructible cover in because it would be great to crush boxes with melee weapons our to blow them up. But over all greatest teaser you could do please put a another one on after new year.

oops i found some thing turn on light (with gun) then space , the light comes from where you were alst with a gun…..

this game is awesome and the lighting and darkness is brilliant but are you going to be able to play as the game from 1 and 2 he is really cool.

May i make a suggestion, fininshing moves, or that sometimes some zombies are still alive on the ground and that you can finish them which would add to like a good/evil kind of thing like good would be u still have ur humanity or evil in a way that u lost all feeling and connection to humanity

The artwork for the zombies could be better, I think that they should be more sloppy in there movements and there skin shade should be slightly green.