The Last Stand:Union City - Alpha 0.5

Okay, Just played the game. It’s feel like an medieval RPG with the numbers coming out the top. Personally i don’t like knowing how much damage i’m doing, i just like kicking zombie butt!

I Love the Blood Splattering on the wall, feel’s like Left 4 Dead, just how i like it!

Also the RELOAD thingy is a little bit werid. I just like seeing my guy reload his gun. The Zombies attack are animated loops, in the final game can’t we see lot’s of diffrent attack moves??

And, those funny things at the bottom. The Face i’m guessing is your profile, it will show your stats and here you can upgrade your skills yes? And that bag is obviously your inventory.

Also i love it how your going to use the Reload thingy from Gears Of War ( One of my favorite games! ), i was going to use that in one of my games too!!

And don’t forget Con! FEMALE SURVIORS…

i’ve been asking since you first made the 2nd one. So girls can’t survive a zombie apocaylpse??? Also i hope we can have relationships in the game. Like your Best Friend is going to be more loyal and has a higher moral. So if things look bad his moral bar ( or whatever your doing ) will deplete last out of your group. And if you want you could have BoyFriend GirlFriends, cause on the ” WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN A ZOMBIE APOCAYLPSE ” Topic you made, heaps of people said they would get their girlfriends.

Anyway, THANKS CON!!

Danny Danny Danny. Read the release notes and then post again, I stopped reading after you commented on two things I’d explained quite clearly in them.
- Con

Oh Noes. You didn’t read the part on Female Surviors and relationships with surviors!!
Read it, it’s got some awesome idea’s!

( PLZ READ THIS POST AND DELETE IT )

I’ve already stated there will be female characters both as survivors and playable. Seriously, read the release notes in future or I’ll just straight up delete your comments.
- Con

I gotta admit, this is such a great improvement.
The graphic violence is …satisfying… (No I am not physco) and the damage shown is rather nice…

Now as for my FPS readings: My lowest was 16 Con, and that was without the Flashlight…

I think that isn’t good…

OH JEEZ!!!
I get lows of like 4 or 5 with the flashlight!

Might have to implement an average FPS test, not sure I’m going to get the numbers I need from everyone.
- Con

I enjoyed this Alpha a lot. Thanks for allowing us to be part of the process.

I noticed only one small thing happening that you may already know about.
When my power bar reached zero and started into the negative numbers, my character froze but was still able to shoot. This happened in the second room. Probably because you still have not added Game Over or dieing parts yet. Just thought I would mention it, since I figure that is what we are suppose to be doing when reporting on the alpha.

Thanks again for the games. So much fun.

Yeah, no death is in yet.
- Con

Great alpha con! the flashlight worked really well and i loved how you integrated it into the gun rather then just have a random light float around the room following your cursor

I noticed that the shotgun would sometimes completely miss the zombie i was aiming at and just hit the one behind it however.

oh and i dont know if you have answered this question somewhere (and my apologies if you have) but is there going to be a story behind the game? or is it just “here are a bunch of zombies now kill them” like it was in last stand 1 and 2?

anyway great job, and i have to say i admire that you take the time to answer questions and such and still have time to work on the game. If it were me, honestly i probably would not take the time haha

The game will have a fair amount of story. It’s Action RPG afterall.
- Con

Hey it looks MUCH better, but i noticed after about 30 kills or so only one or two zombies would spawn, you probly know already but just getting it out there and also,

If you make me wait longer i might go crazy. honestly i know it takes time but the suspence is killing me!

Best invest in a straight jacket and a good therapist then.
- Con

Heya Con. Great job again on this installment. My FPS only bottomed out at 17 when I turned on the flashlight and fired wildly into a group of zombies. Otherwise it stayed at a pretty good 30fps.

There was one issue I noted that I wasn’t sure you were aware of. If you turn on the flashlight during the daytime and walk around with it until nightfall, it is very dim unless you switch it on and turn it off again.

Don’t ask why anyone would do this, but it’s the only thing I really noticed.

Question - are zombies supposed to not connect hits if you jump past them or over them? I noticed that if a zombie was hitting me all I had to do was jump and the hit would not connect.

Flashlight thing, yeah. I’ve gotta get it to do a live update.

- Con

i’ve got a feeling that this gonna be a great game and it actually feels like borderlands

so i am glad you decided to release another alpha. Only 2 things i really need to say 1 the only problem i have (you are still looking for game play problems right?) is that i know there is no shotgun reload animation but the time it takes to reload it seems way too fast for me, just feels unnatural. i’m not sure though if you just made it fast because there is no animation or what not. and 2 f you decided to collect FPS my normal 1 is 30 but with flash light goes on and off of 15

Wow…. was I late to comment on this…. I’m usually the first or second….

Well, let me point out the fps. It’s 30 or so regular. When I’m doing the shotgun with the flashlight, I was getting around 20-24 fps. That isn’t horrible. But then when I shoot the shotgun, my fps skyrockets to like 1000….. I really doubt a flash game has a fps capability of that.

I’ll tell you some other things once I’ve compiled them….

Love the game feels great. The only thing i had a real problom with is the fps. i got a low of 8, and my average was 19 i think. My computer is slow though, so that may be the prob.

And i was just wondering if you had borderlands? Because of the damage display.

when can we try Union city ??

Right now, at the link in the post.
- Con

Another great Alpha, the fps usually sticks around 30, but it drops to 6 or 7 when rapid firing and reloading the shotgun at night with the flashlight. Repetitive jumping, climbing, or ducking does not appear to have a great effect on the fps. Well Done.

I its better than the first alpha and is making me realy exicted. my fps was always between 30-40

Great game. I found a few big problems though. When you shoot the glock 17 with the flashlight on, the flashlight doesn’t stay connected with the gun. And also the shotgun is too inaccurate. A shotgun is supposed to fire multiple shots(example:20 gauge=20 small pellets, 12 gauge=12 shots ETC.) Most times in the game you shoot roughly 5 shots. Anyways, needs some work, but hope it gets much better!

You’ll find that most games treat shotguns the same way, reason being that if you have 20 collision objects flying around everytime someone fires a shotgun, it kills performance. Little maths equation for you, 1 shotgun shot, 20 collision objects, checking against say 10 zombies, each with 4 hit areas, 30 times a second. 20 x 40 x 30. 24000 checks per second. That’s a lot of operations for poor old Flash.
- Con

My avg fps is about 18, low is about 5-6 and high is about 25-30.
In this Alfa it looks like you are firing tracer rounds as every time you fire a white dot with a long tall behind it shows up about 1/2 way acrost the screen from the muzzel of the gun, on the shot gun many dots show up. so is this a bug? will it be in the final game? and if so will I (the player) be able to tagle it on and off.
if you need more clarification just ask.

It’s a shotgun. It fires multiple rounds.
- Con

Looking Good, I really like the new character apperances. The new flashlight fits in. Everything seems to fit.
I have a question about development. While I know you’re not finished with most things such as guns, areas, animations, etc…this Alpha seems very polished and surpisingly very fun.
When you create your games, do you do a certain thing first to get it out of the way such as artwork, area design, or stats, or do you do everything in layers. Like a little of this or a little of that, either way…everything’s looking good Con.

I’m pretty chaotic with my development, it comes down a lot of the time to what I feel like doing on the day. If I feel like animating, I’ll do walk cycles or weapon animations. If I feel like designing I’ll do interface stuff. Programming, I’ll do systems stuff. There are a lot of elements that rely on other sections being done though, things like the search systems (which I’m starting on today) need the interface to be designed before I build the front end. Character animations need the movement and keyboard controls in place to test them, that sort of thing.

- Con

I just played alpha i have been playing all your games for the longest time I thing is will you be able to roam the streets and loot like in dead frontier or will you go to this house and thats it only.

Also will be able to buy Wepons and if there is Armor will you be able to buy thoses to

Average FPS: 33
Low FPS: 10

Great work Con! Keep it up!

The effect was especially clear when i had the flashlight on, as the reload action appears to override the cooldown after firing the shotgun.

Hey con, what will be the biggest “room” what i mean by that is a continous screen?..

Will the cross hairs for the sniper rifles be smaller or will the camra zoom out so that you can see farther? Assuming theres sniper rifles.. -Perry aka fish

Ps. have you told mochi games about this game i bet they would buy it or somthing you could make a buck or two i bet….

No idea, on biggest room. Sniper rifles will be more accurate. Game will be published by Armor Games.
- Con

Hey, I have an idea from a game, in Darkest of Days, not only can you reload with the skill thing like you added, but if you failed to time it the gun would get jammed are you going to add this? If not please do so

hi, i think you missinterperted my post. i was asking if these “dots” would be there in the final game, if i (the player) can togle them ect on ALL wepons not just if there would be multipule on the shot gun. thank you for your time.

What’re these dots you speak of? Dippin dots? I like dippin dots.
- Con

my average fps was 28-30 low 9 but i was around 16-22 is it my computer, just lag , or the internet or game?

Your computer, it’s just the Flash player’s bad ability to render stuff efficiently.
- Con

im sorry con sometimes i get creaitve but u should start with the design of the zombies first

That’s ok, it’s just that you’re one of thousands of people who send me the same sort of thing every day. If you wanna be creative, go make your own games! You can do it!
- Con

My highest was 59 fps average was 32 fps and lowest was 9 fps. I forgot about the flashlight. Can’t wait to see the final version. I’ll miss the barricades and searching for survivors.

They’ll be there, they’re just different.
- Con

I loved the idea of day and night, but night was just too…blue. I ended up resetting because the blue zombies were just too hilarious. I was just wondering, was I somehow glitching, or were the zombies reacting to night/the flashlight? If they were, nice touch. If they weren’t, then they were just randomly running at me for some other reason.

Also, if you jump on top of a barricade, and then walk on top of an attacking zombie, they will glitch and can’t attack you (currently writing this with 2 zombies trapped under me =P)

Anyway, my average FPS was 32, my lowest was 17 (I think it was when I started and no zombies were onscreen.

And what’s up with the Gears of War-ish reloader? Is that the normal reloader or are you going to add special effects if you time it correctly (like GOW)?

Lighting colours need to be finalised, you’ll notice it gets dark at about 4pm at the moment too. The zombies can’t see as well in the dark and yes, they react to the flashlight.

Read the notes for info on the “Skill Reload”.
- Con

It’s a pretty decent start for an alpha.I like what I can do and I know I’ll see more so keep it up.I also don’t post much because they’ve mentioned every glitch that I can find so far, haha.

FPS is 30 avg. and low is 27-8.

hay its pritty awsome already but when my guy pumped his shotgun his arm went out the back of him.

No FPS change with flashlight here. Just one thing, the shotgun gives too much damage in long range (considering it`s a shotgun). Also, the reload time should depend of how many shells you still got in it (I suppose you already know that)

con my cousins and me have liked this game since the forst one we want to know if youl be able to search for weapons yourself

Have a read of the previous posts I’ve made. Yes, you’ll physically search for weapons, food, clothing, everything yourself.
- Con

Well, first off, my average FPS was 31 and my low was 21, which I am pretty amazed at since my computer is REALLY slow.
Second, as I was playing, a question occured to me about the shotgun. I’m going to put this the best I can, the aiming symtem you have in the aphla is: the more you move, the more it effects the aiming (ex: jumping makes the crosshair larger). But the shotgun aiming is different, all of the bullets are really tight when they just exit the barrel. Then, of corse, they spread the farther they go. So (finally), in The Last Stand: Union City will the shotgun’s crosshair get smaller, the closer you are aiming near the character?
Other than that there was nothing else, the gameplay was really good and the blood splatter was a nice touch.
Welcome back and keep up the good work, Con!

Very nice. I know you know abount the shotgun reload. Perhaps rather than coding an entirly knew animation you could use the same animatio as in TLS 2? It was a very accurate animation.

Also, some advice for reloading, perhaps you should have chariters have to find magazines for their firearms, as well? I hate games where the haricter seems to never run out of new magazines, no matter how many they drop.

You should have to reload your emkpty mags after you use them when not in combat, and if you run out of magazines you should have to either load the empty one, a single round at a time(Not very smart if its a 30-round M4 mag), or switch to another gun.

This would make bolt-actions, lever-actions, and other intergral-magazine weapons more useful, as they will allways reload at the same speed.

I hope that you do not gind this too far off topic or annoying, its just another of my pet peeves with most guns in video games as a firearm-lover.

Love you games, cant wait for beta V1.

The whole half filled magazine thing is more hassle than it’s worth. While I agree with you on a realism level (I worked on Infiltration an old infantry sim mod for UT and played loads of Red Orchestra) it’s just a pain to implement and most people won’t get it. The current system is the standard so I’m sticking with it.

- Con

Con,

Please disregard my last comment.. Got it to work.

Saw no real problems other then then the ones I’m sure you’ve heard about a thousend times.

F.P.S. was between 9 and 98, averaging 32.

Thanks,
Nicky

From what i saw on FPS readings was that it was at a low of 13 and a high one of 30. it seems great right now and seems to be comeing along great. any hints to what weapons might be comeing out?

I have a pretty crappy computer but it looked and worked good.

I didn’t notice any big problems so keep up the good work.

my fps was about 33 to 25, mainly 33. and that was with the room covered in blood and switching the light on and off while shooting stuff. I didn’t actually notice the any dips in frame. so thats good.
i like being able to move past zombies, because i can see getting owned in the corner likely to happen. if you were going to do what the other guy suggested saying certain zombies block you. it seems like the zombie fatties would make sense i guess? they take up more space.

A lot of comments about passing through zombies, just a thought that it could be a skill based on that level increasing the percentage chance of walking through/past a zombie or knocking them to the side, this could be linked to strength or agility, like in Dawn of the dead when dodging zombies with no weapons.

Fps average 34

when your searching for weapons and supplies will you have an amount of time you can be out till? or will you be able to stay out as long as you can defend yourself?

i was just wondering and i havnt seen a comment like this, so i thought i’d ask.

FPS:30 AVG:28 LOW:11

Thanks for the AVG FPS thing

I average around 30 now.
But why is the drop so great when the flashlight is on now? The Earlier Alpha didn’t even give me a FPS drop

Hey Con, I love your games man and I just have a suggestion or 2 at the moment for your final version of your game. Oh and also its an awesome alpha.

1. First related to obstacles: Later in the game when zombies get more advanced will they be able to attack the object in their way to destroy it or after sometime crawl/climb over it?
2. One thing I’ve been thinking about is this; Custom Weapon modifcation, not in the sense of making your own gun or changing its damage but sorta along the line of things like: Shoulder Straps (to decrease kickback for say Automatic weapons) Scopes ( just incase u think it will be more fun serching for a scope for a rifle) and last one Lazer sighters for i dont know pistols at close range or mabye even a shotgun or two later on in game.

Oh and srry if u have seen these ideas from deleted comments or ones i havnt seen or just ones u thought of yourself
and also just want to say that im srry if these ideas seam stupid or may take too long since of coures, YOUR the expert in the making of flash games not me im just one of your many fans

First of all i looks great and im really looking forward to play it!

My question is when passing numerous zombies will i get slowed as they attack me or (like in the alpha) will i pass them like nobody’s business?

hope it helps

hi there con!
listen i would like to now about the “special infecteds” i read before that u r adding some new cool zombies and i like to if there will be any new zombies and they re skills
ps:tank of left 4 dead would be a nice boss
pps:forgive my english

It’s pretty amazing only one suggestion. That re lode time randomly is a little quicker or a littler longer. Like with a pistol clip it should take 2 to 5 seconds to re lode.

Hello Con!
You’re doing a great job!

My FPS where around 30 all the time.

A “bug” I found was if there’s a zombi when the sunlight goes down, he doesn’t get darker, as spawning zombies do, and he seem like shining!
I supose you thought about darkening as per objet, and maybe should be the whole screen, to make it easy.

I supose you already noticed that the reloading text is backwards when you face left.

As some people said, dodge zombies is easy as you just need to jump throught them. I think that zombies shouldn’t block you, but slow you, so it will be harder to dodge them.

Thanks for your games!

Fast-shotgun when shooting and switching to pistol and back quickly

Well i could use some quality button, it runs slow when its toggle high quality so maybe i should set it to medium

There’ll be quality control as well as individual options to turn off a number of the effects.
- Con

Welcome Back Con,
I noticed when i turned one the flash light it kinda got slower. I like the Xp system so far and nice job on dm points.
Cant wait till next time

kool

kinda laggy but i had some other apps running so idk

my computer also crashed while the game was running, and its never crashed before except for now (while the game was running) so… lol

My avg fps was 30. Went high to 42. and lowest it went for me was for a split second. 0.

Also when U had the shotgun reloading, if u look to the right u can read, but look left and its upside down

Yes because the word reloading will appear over your weapon when reloading…there’s no animation in there at the moment, think about it…
- Con

New Alpha version is great. Weapon switch transition was good with no glitch, flashlight worked well and no lag on fps (around 100 w flash light). As mentioned before glitch after climbing boxes in room 2. Avg FPS was good, no lag.
comcast broadband
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Con, first of all, I love you and all your games, hows that post good enough to read now?
Cant wait for the full game…

Ok , back on topic, me played the alpha, and I encountered some bugs you might wanna know :

1. Zombies wont respond to you sometimes when you shoot them, or walk past them

2. Its so damn easy to evade the attacks, I know your working on it right now, but, just to let you know

3. It happened to me one time that when you enter another room, the zombies who were already in that room, just die by 1 hit…

4. Oh, and you cant die in the Alpha… when I write this post, I have about then -13000 HP… Well you can die, but you can still shoot then…

5. Yeah it does lag when you use the flashlight (not that this is a bug or something…)

Ok, I hope the game comes out before March or something, bcause I cant wait any longer…

And your doing very good man, I dont think I’ve seen 2 of the same zmbies next to each other in this game…

But I did see a zombie who looked just like my character XD

Oh, and I got some ideas for the game too, not the ones that evryone keeps posting, but new ones…
I can post em later…

Lowest FPS I would get was 18 and that was only while firing the shotgun repeatedly with the flashlight on.

Great work thus far and hope these FPS comments help.

There WILL be an ammo count though, right? Rather than unlimited ammo for every gun?

Cool game and nothing to really complain about since it’s still a prototype. Just wondering, will you be able to put extras on your weapons like suppressors or grenade launchers?

First i have to say, if you published that demo you would win an award, because its so damn good.

i have a new lap top so it ran fast. i love the flash light, its better than the last. the only two problems for me was the climbing(it didnt show any thing) and the runing then switching to the crouch. when you are runnung and then you switch your legs dont move and it looks like you sliding.
Go Con
Go Con
Go Con….GO CON

Not that you ever had any problem with that. I bet You have like millions of guns locked away in your Con Artist vault!

con can you put a survivor in beta V1.

Off-Topic: I could’ve sworn one of my kills looked like Michael Jackson.

On-Topic: When the timer reached 00:00, it seemed to take a few minutes to start going up again. Not sure if that’s a glitch, or just my computer.

All random appearances, so it’s possible. I’ll check the clock, it could be an issue with the counters resetting.
- Con

My framerate was a solid 30, until I entered the 2nd room where it says it went to 19, then 34, but I couldn’t tell a difference.

Very nice, averaged about 30 FPS even with the flashlight on and spamming the shotgun.

One question I couldn’t find an answer to was whether or not critical hits will be based on hit location or will it be determined by some kind of gun/character stat?

Anyway, nice job and happy Australia day!

Con this must be a glitch but some how i was able to walk through the crates in the second room for the alpha.

i read the comment where the guy asked for a front flip when you have 100lb on your back but how about a simple kick to push them back

Found what might be a bug (or at the least a bit of unbalance).

I noticed that if you fire the shotgun down while jumping (not strait down) you can decapitated multiple enemies across the field, even when the bullet traces hit their chests/feet.

Plus, the same jump and fire trick consistently lands me perfect headshots when I use the handgun.

Dear Con
i was wondering since this is just an Alpha are you going to alter damage from the zombies because if the zombies can only do this much damage like 4-20 something or will the specials steal all the glory from the regular walking weak dead guys I just need a Yes or No Answer

Sincerley
ThisGuyThatHasNoLife

oh and a last thing that I found great: WHen I entered a room, my characters appearance looked just like Gordon Freeman. It was epic.

will the weather efect how you and the zombies move?

i was wondering, do critical hits happen once in a while, or is there a particualr place ya have to hit for it to happen, cos i thought shooting the head was a critical hit, but sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn’t could ya explain please….

Using Mac book pro 2.14gh
3gig ram only running the browser and OS performance was as follows

Google chrome (4.0.249.49 (35163) beta)
-Average 38
-Low 18

Safari 4.0.4
-Average 28
-Low 10

FireFox 2.0.0.20
-Average 41
-Low 19

latest version of flash player for mac

All fps were recorded over a few min jumping shooting with shotgun to get lows
low fps were all recorded in the ‘East’ room while jumping shooting shotgun with flash light on, not sure why but the east lows were always a little bit lower then the west maybe because of more objects, beats me

Looks great love the new cone flashlight

Out of curiosity what are your plans are for lighting will flashlight possibly be an ‘add-on’ such as you spoke of in the FAQ and will there be muzzle flash/lights fires maybe. having only diped my feet in making flash games i have no idea what those things are like to program or what they would do to performance, but im very interested to see were you go with it.

my personal feel about performance, was very smooth and playable at the recorded fps, in both Firefox and Chrome, safari seemed to chug a big steadily when things were busy, but even then not that bad, and from personal experience safari does not like flash

Im not sure what you work on but if want performance tested on mac, or any specific mac browser id be happy to give it a run,

Haha! This game is awesome, i can see this getting made into A playstation 3 MINI or and xbox arcade game, Con i spotted the skill reload, maybe you should put in a noie when its succesful and make it longer to reload when you miss it, Btw, is there going to be a gun loadout or something? Like a shop?.
And The RELOADIN sign on the shotgun is backwards when you face left with your player, Anyway Keep up the good work!

Looking great so far, i have minimum lag. unfortunately the flash light causes an fps drop of about 15 - 20 frames. May i suggest a quality control button that effects only the graphics of the flashlight and nothing else?

FPS Stats :
Low (With Flashlight) : 11
Low (Without) : 20
Average : ~28
High : 50 (Though there was a momentary jump to 120, I’m assuming that was just the after effect of switching rooms.)

I’d say that movement should be slowed while walking “through” zombies, or at least the reach of thier arms, with the Z’s having thier own chance at knock-back, seeing as you can stand “next” to them graphically and thier arms will flail to either side of you since you’re standing in the torso area instead of the attack.

well, knowing that this game is only an advancement of last stand union city, it works fine related to FPS, i tried it on different pc’s ,some of them dropped fps to 15 or 16 with flashlight,others went to 20 or so, but the new gameplay just goes to another level compared to previous lat stands, damage points seem useless in the point of view that the game trama goes to just smash an kill…. but if you wanna make it look like a good like a complete game, it would be good if you added a zombie life meter to make a use for damage points…well that’s all i can help with, i hope evrything goes well for you man, good game.
X)

It’s not an “advancement” I’m building everything from the ground up.
- Con

Please read the 142nd comment
Nah im joking, my FPS for the game was an average of 31-32, the moment you step through the pink doorway it had risen to 57, but its great because you cant really notice the difference.

im a big fanof last stand games i play them every day i go on my computer and this game will be awesome and can u plz answer my question
Q.How do u eat food cause i played Alpha 0.6 and i cant eat the food or will that be realised in the next alpha.

i love the game last stand 3 comig son