TLS: Union City - Alpha 0.6 - The one with search in it.

At the bottom is just typing um is that supposed to be a link or what?

AND I SWEAR TO GOD IF I SEE FIRST OR ANY OF THAT STUFF I WILL TAKE YOUR BALLS AND REMOVE THEM THROUGH YOUR ANUS

Fixed now. OMG FIRST!!!!!1111
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i meant we wont walk into them or anything like that i mean are they just going to sit against the wall like that, but by the way great start and i like the search interface

Oh right. Sorry, misunderstood. They’ll be on the back wall yes. The issue with having containers in the moveable space is that it removes the ability to climb over them (same key as search).
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Are you able to use guns that you get????

Not in this alpha, but yes.
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Gawd dang! No edit post button >.<!

I just saw the bottle caps. Sorry for my first comment.

The bottle caps are just a bit of a nod to Fallout.
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Cool, saw it on Twitter and I almost peed my pants. lol

i liked i posted a message about it on the factsheet i think

Excellent job again. The graphics are really shaping up and the engine looks really solid. I didn’t find a single mishap this time around and I’m happy to say it’s making me really look forward to the finished product. The only bug I found was that if you click delete item enough times in succession it causes the cursor to endlessly highlight every item it hovers over (multiple selections?).

Some things possibly worth noting:

Wondering if searching at night will be harder and rely more on skill and having the flashlight on in order to find better stuff.

Will you be able to carry unlimited weapons in the sack ala RPGs even with the weight limit?

Stackable inventory items, I noticed bullets do stack but items such as medkits, bandages, cash, and papers. Will cash accumulate or will it take up inventory space every time?

Possibility of upgrading to brighter flashlights, thermal stuff, or other things so as to not alert zombies or to be able to see better?

Loving the different character designs, will there be items that increase inventory space and alter outward appearance?

Stacking items, I’m avoiding. Trying to avoid the need for those annoying “Take/Drop How Many?” interfaces.

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i noticed the long tall storage box in the room next to the begging room there is always oranges and cash, also, i loved the fallout 3 reference, bottle caps ~ i wonder if these will be currency.

Yeah, containers will have set items that are always there, that way I can garuantee a certain amount of items will turn up in the world. The random junk and lucky/skill finds are added on top of those as you play.
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i am loving how this game is coming along i think that you guys have done a great job so far. although just to be an annoying noob ill ask this:
1. Will you be able to sell you items?(crap items as such)
2. will there be any sort of shops?(kinda confused cuz of the money)

No and no. It’s the apocalypse. Some people will still think that cash has value, others might want certain items. Think of them as quest items that you’ll need to gather for certain people in order to convince them / get them to trade something.
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Will you be able to search bodies of zombies and stuff to take any weapons or items?

Some bodies, yes.
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Bug: When you are moving, and you alt+tab out of the game, the legs will be still moving.

Greatly looking. Big inmprovement compared to the last one

Who does that…might have to do something for when the game loses focus.
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so far, this game appears to be the best flash game ever made. I might just break under the anticipation for the final release. BUT, whenever i hit tab to open the pack like u said, the toolbar at the top of the screen gets selected (the one outside the game) and my player becomes completely unresponsive to the controls until i click on him. other than that, its fine, and i like the bottlecaps and junk loot, reminds me alot of fallout.

hey con,
I just want to say the TAB is not working for me but the backpack button works

also, when you go to the last left room, without stopping moving, you will do epic michael jackson slide.

i love fallout 3 as well ,apart form the rubbish fighting

Excellent progress Con. The inventory system seems very intuitive. I like that you won’t be making us micro-manage our back packs whilst fighting off the undead.

The only nitpick I could find was that there’s a weird MS Paint like squiggly that appears over the carbine when reloading.

Keep up the excellent work.

Another great Alpha. Will all of the items still be present in Run’n'Gun mode? I think you said that it would not have the food factor, so will they just become junk items? Or stay for recovering health. Thanks, can’t wait for full release.

Food will be there, but there won’t be a need for it.
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hey con, whats with the green icon above the m4 while reloading? awsome game btw

It’s just a scribble to show me that the reloading animation is playing. Haven’t actually done the animation yet, just got blank frames in there at the moment.
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hey I love the bottle cap thing im a fallout fan myself…also i noticed once your out of ammo you can keep reloading, you probly know already, just wanted to let you know, and also, i thought since you can get money,
what if you could hire mercenaries, guys fighting, zombies, you talk, offer fifty buck for example he stays with you till he dies or wants more money…?

I went through the game and found what I think is most of the “aid”. 15 I can find.

1.) Orange
2.) Canned Beans
3.) Beef Soup
4.) Breakfast Cereal
5.) Chewing Gum
6.) Can’O'Ham
7.) Bread
8.) Crackers
9.) Cookies
10.) Peanut Butter
11.) Peanuts
12.) Pickles
13.) Vegetable Soup
14.) Raspberry Jelly
15.) Apple

Let me know if you find more!

P.S: Con game is looking great so far I like the ‘fallout 3′ style to it.

And:

Beef Jerkey
Canned Corn
Cheese
Canned Tomatoes
Can Of Soda
Sardines

What was the point of this again, Exeara?
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what i got to say so far is so far SWEET. The ammo system seem like fallout 3s ammo system, well it seems similar to me.

Or like, you know…real life.
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The inventory system really looks nice. At one point, I found a book that said it gives a bonus to long rifles. Will you have to read it, consuming game time, have it’s effect be instantaneous, or make it a passive effect for as long as you have the book?

It’ll be instant.
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YAY.

… that’s all i guess.

@Con, to show how much ‘Aid’ will most likely be in the game, I know I missed more (I think) but I went on a collecting spree so I decided to post it.

hey con if the world is full of zombies how come you need currency

Some people might see the value in it still. Got to remember, it’s only been a few weeks since the outbreak started.
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I think you should keep the ammo at zero weight, sure it wouldn’t be as real, but then it would be alot of hassle out of the way for players… then again you could put minor weight on for the harder difficulties…?

Yeah, ammo really isn’t a weight factor in most cases anyway. 50 rounds of 9mm only weighs around 1lb, the only thing will be wanting to carry 100 rounds of .50 calibre as each round weighs in at about 1-2lbs.
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Besides easily sticking out of the background the inventory screen is flawless. Backpack is well organized and nothing seems to be bugged there. Are they going to be only boxes or are there gonna be things like closets or drawers?

Yes. They’re just placeholder graphics.
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So I’m assuming by the comment above that E will be the “action key”

you suck

con ,should i freeze my self ,until last stand comes out ,thats how desperate i am for it

You might wake up and find the world taken over by otters. I’d recommend against it.
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Oh so I see you mean like Clowns, Army men (With the vests), ETC?

Am I right? Or just somewhat different than L4D zombies?

Pretty much.
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will the wisk and baking trays exct. be used in combining food idems or are they also just destracters to discurage take all

Some junk will be useful.
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Maybe it is just me but when I try to open the containers I always mistakenly press my mouse and fire my weapon, because it is a natural reaction. The better alternative, in my opinion, would be that when the character walk next to a container that container would be highlighted automatically, after that the player can just press E to open and search it. What do you think Con?

There will be a range for opening containers, so you’ll need to be in close proximity to them. Problem with auto-highlighting is that I want to have scenes where you’ll have 4 or 5 containers quite close to each other and stacked on top of each.
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The amount of weight you are carrying should be more realistic and should affect your movement and weapon acquisition time.

Even the USMC, with load-bearing gear, does not ask its soldiers (usually, at least) to carry more than their own weight around in combat.

Secondly, ammunition weight, for things like .22lr you could easily carry 20k rounds of that around, but lets say, the 5.56 NATO/.223 Rem, 7 loaded 30 round magazines would have 210 rounds, while weighing the same as 4-5 20 round magazines of 7.62 NATO/.308 Win, with a mere half the capacity.

However, the .308 Win/7.62 NATO has 1.8-2.4x the energy level of the smaller .223 remington.

This makes survivors consider their loadout for the mission, am i fighting a bunch of crawlers i can execute with .22lr, or going after an special zombie menace (tanklike zombie, i guess) from half a mile away (barrett comes into mind) etc et al.

hey con since the the game takes place at the epicenter of the infection even though its a prequel you can still add specual zombies

Im a huge fan of Fallout3.And the fallout3 style is making me even more pumped to play this game.I anticipate it since the last stand 1&2 where outstanding! Keep up the good work!

hey con when your character has luck at the peek of the luckiness how does it affect them

Luck will affect a bunch of stuff, finding good items, critical hits and most other skill rolls.
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Hey Con i know this is totally out of topic and totally unrelevant but… i have 3 questions ( SORRY ) and a statement:

1. Can you add me in ArmorGames?

2. How come you never reply to anyones comments in ArmorGames?

3. a while ago ( in another topic ) i asked if you could make me a character in TSL3… YES OR NO CON??

STATEMENT: Hey Con can you plz see this Fan Club For your game on Armor Games?? We’re all big fans and stuff… So it would be cool if you, like, posted on it…. 0_0 .. so ya

http://armorgames.com/community/thread/4653488/the-last-stand-3-union-city

( PLz link work!! )

Danny, you of all people should know that I get hundreds of messages a week, from this site, from every site I submit games to, even email. If I spent time reading / responding / writing to all of those, do you think I’d have any time left?

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is it just me or do you keep deleteing my posts…..

Probably because they’re irrelevant to this post or they’re asking questions about things that’ve been answered.
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hey con artist why did you delete my..oh

well anyways the game is shaping up well i must say im surprised how quick its going but i can tell its not going to come out soon

The alphas are shaping up well and i like the idea of a take all button and being able to see when luck worked i hope this makes people more um..compelled if thats a word to put points in luck.

Just a question

can you somehow combine all the alphas (as in search killing the zombies with guns and maybe the point system it will still be an alpha but it just makes things more fun for people like me since it feels finished)

Yeah there’s loads of work to do.

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G’day Con!
Im an junior games journalist in HWT in Melbourne and my son Jake showed me your previous flash games whilst I was doing some research on the modern development of online flash gaming. Needless to say I was very impressed. Just wanted to wish you good luck, and if you would like a small article published about your game when it is released, feel free to contact me and I’ll see what I can do!
P.S: Enjoyed playing all of your Alpha games so far!

Hey thanks, I’ll definitely chase you up on that offer. Glad you and your son are enjoying it so far.
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Will certain items be required to use other items (i.e. will one need a soup bowl and a spoon to eat a can of soup)?

I’m pretty sure people won’t mind if you drink straight from the can, table manners aren’t a priority. But no, there won’t be other item requirements to use certain things (besides weapon attachments).
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Hey, dunno if anyone else posted something about this, but when you aim directly down, your guy looks extremeley screwed up; his arms, head and torso go haywire.

Yes. Yes they have. About a million times. I could give you an explaination including talks of radians, inverse angles and such if you’d like. I’m getting around to fixing it.
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Very good so far! If you care for bugs, I found two:

In the center room, I climbed the box in the middle with the E key from the right side, with the Glock equipped. It froze and I couldn’t move or do anything, though I could still shoot.

Second, if you run the weapons completely empty, you’ll start the reload animation. The Glock will start and stop abruptly, and the M4 will do the entire “reload.”

Anyway, solid system, and looking quite good. The idea of having an arcade style mode and a realistic mode is good, too!

Something I’ve always liked for junk gear is making traps. Like: [shotgun shell + mouse trap + wire + nail = shotgun trip mine] (which does actually work IRL) I like it because you can’t just toss junk and make yourself an uberweapon, but only a weapon that works for a single use.

By the way, would you like some help on item descriptions, especially weapons? I’ve done a bunch of work writing weapons and combat articles, I’d be willing to write up descriptions, no strings attached. Or advise on accuracy of weapons, etc. I could cite previous work if you’re interested.

Thanks for the bug info, I fixed the constant reload when out of ammo bug yesterday and the other is known. Also thanks for the offer of description help, there’s not that many weapons to do, should be fine to do them myself. Cheers.
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But the actual Remington 870 in game, as in the size of the one the character uses is not large enough to hold eight rounds. It looks more like five. The eight rounders have a 18 inch barrel.

Though I definitely think it’d be nice to have the pistol grip shotgun with less rounds, then also have a full stock “combat” shotgun with the higher capacity and damage, but a long barrel that prevents you from using it too close.

Oh, naw, just from a curiosity standpoint. Like the Uzi in LS2 held 45 rounds instead of 32, since it fired faster and needed a bigger difference over the UMP. Totally makes sense when used right, and not a big deal.

I’d plead though that you leave signature weapons the same, like the 1911 pistol have 7, or 8 rounds with modern magazines.

Dude, it’s not a Remington 870, it’s a shotgun I drew in Flash. I’m not going to get into particulars about tube sizes and shit like that. Also, the weapons are sharing animations with similar weapon types, because of the sheer number of them. So all pump action shotguns will share the same fire / pump animation, all AR’s have the same fire / reload animations etc so they need to “fit” hence the size fudging. Besides that the only thing I need to worry about:
1) Does it look cool.
2) Does it blow zombies apart.

No more gun porn talk, I’m tired of it.
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lol. Sorry about the gun overload. I thought you said it was based off the 870, so… Basically, I said: size was disproportionate to number of bullets.

Undeniably, it looks cool and blasts zeds, I suppose little else matters in such a utilitarian gun anyway.

Something I forgot to mention in the past was that all of the alphas had lagging audio for me. I skimmed over the comments for this post and the one before, and I didn’t see much mention of it. The game itself seemed to run smoothly, but the sound lagged about a half second or so for the guns.

My friend had the exact same problem. Both of our comps are far from high spec, but we don’t experience any normal lag.

love the way the game is turning out to be, and also, since this game seems so inspired by fallout 3 i just have to ask, will there be unique versions of weapons in TLS, similiar to fallout.

like a unique AK-47, or something, that has a clever name, and slightly better stats.

Hum will we have the possibility to change the controls ?? (we do not all have QWERTY keyboard, so it’s a bit difficult to play with asw…)

I’ve implemented an AZERTY keyboard option, you’ll be able to toggle it on in the options eventually.
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hey con i was just wandering like why is there cash in the game is it like the residant evil coz who would be wanderning around a zombie apocalipse ?

i haz gun ideas = the nail gun (fallout3 the railway rifle) and sometimes you can throw junk at the zombies like cans and pies to blind them also will there be scematicts to make new weps? lol can you get drunk/high? sometimes can you leave survivers in the safe places do surivers need water+food? will the safe room doors be made out of metel (like l4d+l4d2?) ps con if you love fallout (more tham me) theres a new fallout coming called FALLOUT NEW VEGAS

1 more thing con will there be mad men or the army clearing the infestation

hey con, i was wondering how many different types of rifles have you made so far? for ex. in the last one there was only one bolt action hunting rifle and how many different rifle rounds are there so far?

con what are u going to do for the next alpha
if u havent chosen yet then how about u add survivours in this one.

P.S. i dont want to know when its coming out i want it to be a surprize.

Con, I’m really happy you considered my “Less then fresh” idea for food, its cool to help out with the game!

Why does everyone say “like Fallout 3?” There’s other Fallout games…

The search boxes in the final product, are they going to have different skins? Or remain as brown boxes in the background?

Anyways, this looks like a great game so far.

can you make it so we can find spray paint and put camos on the guns we find

No.
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are you considering misellanious weapons like crossbows

im seeing alot of coments on how this is based on fallout 3 is it or is it original ideas

I’m a big Fallout fan, it’s more of a combination of a bunch of RPG’s though. At it’s heart though, it’ll be about laying down serious amounts of zombies.
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is one of the RPG’s fallout by any chance haha

Yep. Welcome to the site.
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CON 2 KEEP THE ZOMBIE WORLD PUT IN OLD WEPPOND LIKE THE BAR FROM WW2 AND FROM THE KOREAN WORLD 2 KEPP IT MORE REAL AND HAVE MORE WEPPON 2 CHOSE FROM